I also want to shear my experience
It is not like that, no one can grow in affinities with *Acacia
auriculiformis *i have seen one large population of endemic frog "Malabar
Gliding Frogs" on same plant. It deposits Ovum and Sperms on *A.
auriculiformis's* leaves.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:26 PM, kiran srivastava
<[email protected]>wrote:
> Also reminds me of the Australian species of Acacia that one sees on
> hillsides of Mumbai planted by the forest dept. There must be a reason for
> planting these exotics not just to show a grove of healthy
> trees...prevention of soil erosion, I presume!
>
> Cheers,
> Kiran Srivastava
> Mumbai
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:04 PM, rashida atthar <[email protected]
> > wrote:
>
>> This is interesting. Satish pardeshi ji any scientific data on what
>> vegetation was existing before the plantations in these areas of study and
>> are the vegetations /trees that were planted post the Gliricidia plantations
>> and were not able to thrive.?
>>
>> How does this compare to other trees that are planted on mass scale? Does
>> the same phenomenon exist? Some of these questions will lead to some
>> concrete understanding.
>>
>> regards,
>> Rashida.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:27:47 +0530
>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32266] Re: Gliricidia sepium
>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
>>
>>
>> Mr. Yazdy Palia
>> let me clarify that it was not an observation of a casual observer but
>> a scientific survey of vegetation types across state of Maharashtra. what
>> ever i have mentioned is the observation of scientific study
>> in the Gliricidia plantation (plantation done by Forest department) in the
>> district of Ahmednagar, Aurangabad, Akola, Washim and other districts. note
>> that i was referring to Gliricidia plantation and not a few distantly
>> placed Gliricidia plants planted as "coffee-shade". i have observed very few
>> plants growing beneath the plantataion right from Monsoon to summer season.
>> for the reference i am providing few images taken during the survey.
>>
>> Regards
>> Satish Pardeshi
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>> Hello Mr. Satish Pardeshi
>> If what you say is true, Nothing would ever grow in my farm. I have
>> thousands of these trees in my 40 acre farm. I grow coffee and pepper
>> mainly. A lot of my pepper plants are growing on these gliricidia
>> trees. I do not know how long a time was spent by you in these
>> gliricidia plantations that you speak about.
>> There has to be some reason why you do not see vegetation under its
>> canopy. I wonder about the nature of the soil for starters. If it is
>> infertile land, you may not see much vegetation in any case. What is
>> the amount of rainfall that these areas receive? I have seen during my
>> stay at kaneh and Kamshet that the farmers graze sheep in these
>> forests. Sheep as you know is enemy number one of any forest. If sheep
>> grazing is practiced in these plantations, nothing will grow. A
>> casual visitor may assume that nothing grows under the canopy.
>> As far as the fallen leaves are concerned, they only encourage growth
>> of all plants. If you ever go there and try and move the leaves after
>> a few rains you will find plenty of fresh feeder roots of all plants
>> weeds or otherwise encouraged by the humus created by these falling
>> leaves. The fallen leaves encourages growth of the microorganism that
>> is part of soil fertility.
>> There is another malaise of the areas that you mention. The villagers
>> not only use these trees for firewood but they also take huge amounts
>> of firewood for the local hotels (small ones) thereby making the area
>> barren after a few years. Evidence of this could be seen daily in the
>> morning when any train stops at small stations like palasdhari, monkey
>> hill on the Lonavala track. They all hang the firewood on the window
>> grill of the train and unload it at Lonavala.
>> Gliricidia planted in such barren areas will nourish the soil and make
>> it fertile within a few years.
>> Regards
>> Yazdy.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello all
>> > Vast areas and barren hillls are planted with Gliricidia in
>> > Ahmednagar, Aurangabad, Osmanabad, Pune, Washim and Akola. the tree
>> > adapt it self to the environment and grows quickly. even when the
>> > trunk is cut down the coppice grows very fast and forms the green
>> > cover. the locals used it for fuel wood. i have observed the plants
>> > growing under the canopy of gliricidia plantation, and would like to
>> > mention that very few plants could survive under it. only a few
>> > grasses could be found growing under it. the thick layer of dried
>> > fallen leaves also hinder the growth of other herbs.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Satish Pardeshi
>> >
>> > On Apr 14, 10:27 am, mani nair <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Thanks Rashidaji for the information.
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mani.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM, rashida atthar
>> >> <[email protected]>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Mani ji according to the book 'Trees of Mumbai', the scientific name
>> >> > Gliricidia is derived from the Spanish name 'Mata Raton' meaning
>> mouse
>> >> > killer. 'Gliris' means mouse and 'Caedo' means killer. Sepium means
>> hedge,
>> >> > the tree is sometimes planted as a hedge. Further the book mentions
>> that in
>> >> > cocoa plantations it is grown as a shade tree, when grown as a hedge
>> along
>> >> > crop fields, it acts as a wind breaker. The bark of the tree is
>> powdered and
>> >> > mixed with rice/ maize flour baits set up to kill rats.
>> >>
>> >> > regards,
>> >> > Rashida.
>> >>
>> >> > ------------------------------
>> >> > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:13:24 +0530
>> >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32227] Gliricidia sepium
>> >>
>> >> > From: [email protected]
>> >> > To: [email protected]
>> >> > CC: [email protected]; [email protected];
>> [email protected];
>> >> > [email protected]; [email protected];
>> >> > [email protected]
>> >>
>> >> > I believe that the bark of the trees is used as a rat poison.
>> >>
>> >> > Please clarify.
>> >>
>> >> > Regards,
>> >>
>> >> > Mani.
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Padmini Raghavan <
>> [email protected]>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Yazdyji,
>> >> > I have been trying without success to get a sapling of Gliricidia
>> sepium
>> >> > as we have a rat menace at our apartment compound. A family of
>> bandicoots
>> >> > has made itself so well entrenched that their burrows have killed a
>> row of
>> >> > various coloured Ceasalpinia pulcherrima
>> >> > adjacent to our compound wall. The one cutting I obtained did not
>> root,
>> >> > (inspite of it being called Quickstick)!
>> >> > My neihbours have tried Rat poison but it has not worked.
>> >>
>> >> > In 1960, my uncle had planted a whole lot of these saplings to give
>> shelter
>> >> > to teak seedlings he had planted on his land, which was on a small
>> hill
>> >> > behind the farmhouse at a village (Ghunpur) near Nizamabad. He had
>> hoped
>> >> > that a teak forest would make the summers more bearable.
>> >>
>> >> > I too would love to obtain some seeds from you.
>> >> > Rgds,
>> >> > Padmini Raghavan.
>> >> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Tanay,
>> >> > Just tell me how much you require, I will send you mature pods or
>> >> > seeds that have been dispersed when the pods burst.
>> >> > I have a few thousand of these trees. They form excellent green
>> >> > manure, they nourish the soil by fixing nitrogen and they are very
>> >> > good standards for cultivating black pepper. Ultimately if and when
>> >> > you think of cutting them, they give very good timber for small
>> >> > furniture as good as teak.
>> >> > The flowers provide plenty of nectar for my honey bees too.
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > Yazdy.
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