Thanks, Ashwini ji. Very nice discovery. On 11 October 2017 at 10:12, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Garg, > Dr Chaudhary just wrote this; > > I have received your specimens of Astragalus two days ago. It is *Astragalus > sikkimensis* Benth. ex Bunge. It has so far been reported from India > (Sikkim and Jammu & Kashmir), Nepal, Bhutan and China. The occurrence of > this species in Himachal Pradesh suggests that its distribution is > throughout the Himalaya from Jammu & Kashmir to China. > > > I am going to write him to ask what characteristics define this species. I > will share his reply when he writes. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > On 22 Sep 2017, at 19:04, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> > wrote: > > Dear Mr Garg, > On the advice of Dr Lal Babu Chaudhary, who had written to me after seeing > our email conversation, I collected a sample on my last trip (16 Sep.) and > am currently drying it before sending it to his lab for proper > identification. He has kindly offered to help. I read one of his papers in > which he has described a new species *Astragalus himachalensis* which > differs slightly from *A. himalayanus* and am including a pdf here. > > Hopefully we will have clarity on the matter soon. > > Many thanks for your help. > Ashwini > > > On 20 September 2017 at 18:26, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> > wrote: > >> It is very much possible, Mr Garg. I am going to look at Oxytropis soon. >> >> >> >> On 20-Sep-2017 6:09 PM, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It may not be either of the two ? >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>> Date: 14 September 2017 at 18:29 >>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:275139] Astragalus himalayanus? ABAUG2017/27 >>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>> Cc: Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>> >>> >>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>> To me looks different from images of *Astragalus strictus* Graham ex >>> Bentham in Royle at Flora of China >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242306789>. >>> Also see high resolution specimen of *Astralagus himalayanus *with pods at >>> http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441328574619ui0DRfgE1piNHID6 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>> Date: 4 September 2017 at 22:38 >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:275139] Astragalus himalayanus? ABAUG2017/27 >>> To: "indiantreepix@googlegroups.com" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, >>> "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> I had a chance to see the fruit on my visit to Ilaqa yesterday and made >>> me revisit my initial ID. Following *Flowers of the Himalaya*, I see >>> two distinct possibilities for my sample, one of which *Astralagus >>> strictus* is more likely than the other. Here is why; >>> >>> 1. *Astralagus himalayanus*: Altitude 2400-4500m, June-Sep., flowers >>> borne on stalks usually longer than the subtending leaves, *calyx with >>> black and white hairs*, *leaf-stems with adpressed hairs*, pods with >>> black hair. >>> >>> 2. *Astralagus strictus*: Alt. 2100-5000m, May-Aug., *flowers borne >>> stalks shorter than the pinnate leaves*, calyx with black hairs, leaves >>> with adpressed white hairs, *pods with adpressed black and white hairs*. >>> >>> My sample has features that I have marked in bold and hence shares >>> features from both these species. Perhaps black and white hairs and their >>> mix is a variable trait (Flora of China says about A. strictus: *Calyx >>> 3.5-4 mm, rather densely covered with appressed white hairs up to 1 mm and >>> with mostly shorter black hairs, sometimes with predominantly black hairs* >>> ). Flora of Pakistan says that the fruit in *A. himalayanus* has black >>> hairs and the stipe is longer than calyx which is not true for my sample. >>> FOP states for *A. strictus* that the calyx is '*white and black >>> pubescent, fruit white and black pubescent, stipe short*'. >>> >>> Following this argument I would like to conclude that my sample is >>> closer to *Astragalus strictus*. The images for both *A. himalayanus* >>> and *A. strictus* on our site need re-looking as the photo showing pods >>> for *A. himalayanus* does not reveal any hairs and fruits are absent >>> for *A. strictus*. >>> >>> I can of course be completely off-track here and if I am please correct >>> me. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31 August 2017 at 07:32, Ashwini Bhatia <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Mr Garg. >>>> >>>> On 31-Aug-2017 5:08 AM, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> To me looks ok as per high resolution specimen at >>>>> http://mediaphoto.mnhn.fr/media/1441328574619ui0DRfgE1piNHID6 >>>>> >>>>> I can not say the same of the image at FOI at >>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Mil >>>>> k%20Vetch.html >>>>> >>>>> On 22 August 2017 at 05:51, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 6:21 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you Mr Garg. I did go through the images but could not decide >>>>>>> if my plant was *A. himalayanus*. The calyx looks different on my >>>>>>> plant. I will look again closely and read up on the species. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 Aug 2017, at 14:50, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Beautiful images. I hope you have checked comparative images at efi >>>>>>> site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19-Aug-2017 8:15 AM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I remembered seeing this last year too but didn't get to edit and >>>>>>>> research. I think this is *Astragalus himalayanus*, but I am not >>>>>>>> sure. Please advise, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Astragalus himalayanus?* >>>>>>>> Ilaqa, Dharamshala, HP >>>>>>>> 3300m >>>>>>>> 16-17 August 2017. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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