Dear friends, I am putting here the message of Dr Robert H. Archer, for sake of continuity of this thread.
....................................................................... Dear All I just returned from fieldwork in Madagascar. Based more on the supplied description, I am reasonably satisfied this plant is what is Elaeodendron balae (Kostermans) R.H. Archer ined. from Sri Lanka. Please note this name/combination is not yet published and is based on Cassine balae Kostermans in Gard. Bull. Singapore 39:185 (1987); Wadhwa in Revised Flora of Ceylon X: page 87 (1996). It is in many respect very similar to Elaeodendron orientale from the Mascarene Island of Mauritius. The round fruit is immediately different from the sharp pointed fruit in Elaeodendron orientale. With best wishes, Robert Dr. Robert H. Archer COM specialist, Scientist National Herbarium, PRE South African National Biodiversity Institute Private Bag X101 Pretoria, 0001 South Africa Tel: +27128435043 Fax +27128043211 Www.sanbi.org r.arc...@sanbi.org.za <r.arc...@sanbi.org.za> ....................................................................... Quite convinced with fruit aspect discussed by Dr Robert H. Archer Having inferred the ID to *Elaeodendron orientale*, searched flickr and internet for more information regarding this identity. Stumbled upon fruit pictures which do not agree with those seen in my photos ... did not have quick courage to re-put my doubt. The picture of *E. orientale* fruits on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lindadevolder/2112788587/ which raised query in my mind, A small description at Republic of Mauritius website : http://www.gov.mu/portal/site/npcs/menuitem.5dbdbc2b5dcd53090eb4dc46a0208a0c Thoughts coming to my mind: ... what would be the age of this *Elaeodendron *tree in Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan (Rani Bagh) ... ... if planted by the British, makes me wonder of them getting such kind of rare exotic trees. ... ... ... if planted by VJBU administration, the superintendent could possibly have record of this plant. Regards. ................................ On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Prashant awale <pkaw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thats Great Satish ji. Nice to see ID getting resolved... > cheers > Prashant > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:47 PM, satish pardeshi < > satishparde...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> yes Neil ji >> thats y it took me so much time to identify this plant. i had been looking >> for its id from last 3-4 years. a line drawing of it is been given in the >> Fernandez Thesis. >> >> Regards >> >> >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>wrote: >> >>> HI, >>> Interesting, but there is no mention of Elaeodendron orientale / >>> Cassine orientalis in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra'. >>> With regards, >>> Neil Soares. >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Pardeshi S. <satishparde...@gmail.com>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Pardeshi S. <satishparde...@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:34687] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ Diospyros / >>> Glochidion ? >>> To: "efloraofindia" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:33 PM >>> >>> >>> Hello all >>> I referred R.R.Fernandez thesis on plants of Bombay 1959. >>> according to it it is Elaeodendron orientale J. Jacq. >>> Synonym: Cassine orientalis (J. Jacq.) Kuntze >>> >>> if possible i will post a line drawing of it given in the thesis. >>> >>> Regards >>> Satish Pardeshi >>> >>> >>> On May 12, 8:18 am, Neil Soares >>> <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>> >>> wrote: >>> > Hi Tanay, >>> > As Dinesh knows this is definitely not Cassine glauca. Sending you >>> photographs of Cassine glauca for comparison. It is also not Diospyros >>> malabarica. >>> > Regards, >>> > Neil. >>> > >>> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tanay bose >>> > <tanaybos...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tanaybos...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > From: tanay bose >>> > <tanaybos...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tanaybos...@gmail.com> >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34585] DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ Diospyros / >>> Glochidion ? >>> > To: "R. Vijayasankar" >>> > <vijay.botan...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vijay.botan...@gmail.com> >>> > >>> > Cc: "Dinesh Valke" >>> > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com>>, >>> "efloraofindia" >>> <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >>> > >>> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:00 AM >>> > >>> > Dear Dinesh Ji, >>> > >>> > I think this is Cassine glauca (Rottb.) O. Ktze Like Vijayasankar Ji. I >>> am adding the description of the plant... >>> > >>> > A large tree; branchlets reddish; bark red inside, exuding a watery sap >>> when cut. Leaves opposite or sub-opposite, 3-16 x 1.5-7.5 cm, elliptic, >>> ovate-oblong or obovate, glabrous, dark green, shining above, glaucous >>> beneath; petiole 0.5-1 cm long, channelled. Cymes axillary, dichotomous, >>> 7.5-12 cm long; peduncle 2.5-6.5 cm long, often red. Flower 5 mm in >>> diameter, whitish; calyx 4-5-lobed, lobes rounded, margin membranous; >>> stamens included, filaments recurved, anthers with a 2-lobed connective. >>> Ovary adnate to the disc; style very short, persistent. Fruit a dry, ovoid, >>> drupe, 1-15 cm long, 1-celled, 1-seeded. >>> > Regards >>> > Tanay >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, R. Vijayasankar < >>> vijay.botan...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vijay.botan...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dinesh ji, the flowers remind me Cassine. (not C. glauca, certainly not >>> Diospyros). >>> > >>> > Let's hear from other members. >>> > >>> > With regards >>> > >>> > R. Vijayasankar >>> > >>> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dinesh Valke >>> > <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear friends, >>> > Confused between Diospyros (malabarica) and Glochidion ... and ID could >>> be none of these !! >>> > The flowers and fruits are mismatching. >>> > (Please bear the photo quality). >>> > >>> > Date/Time : May 9, 2010 at 10.03am IST >>> > Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan (Rani Bagh), Mumbai. >>> > >>> > Altitude : 10 m >>> > GPS : 18°58'43.56"N, 72°50'9.81"E ± few seconds >>> > >>> > Habitat : garden (however must be found wild in Western Ghats) >>> > Type : ... >>> > >>> > Plant >>> > Habit : tree >>> > Height : about 8 -12 m >>> > Length : - not a climber - >>> > >>> > Leaves >>> > Type : simple, alternately placed (possibly whorling), coarsely serrate >>> (or is it dentate, do not know) >>> > Shape : elliptic, rounded at both ends >>> > Size : 8 - 10 cm x 2.5 - 3.5 cm >>> > >>> > Inflorescence >>> > Type : axillary cymous >>> > Size : about 6 cm >>> > >>> > Flowers >>> > Size : about 10 mm >>> > Colour : off-white (cream) >>> > Calyx : do not know >>> > Bracts : - no bracts - >>> > >>> > Fruits >>> > Type : ¿ drupe ? >>> > Shape : ovoid >>> > Size : about 3 cm >>> > Seeds : do not know >>> > >>> > Other Info >>> > Fragrance : do not know >>> > Pollinator : do not know >>> > Uses : do not know >>> > >>> > Regards. >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to >>> > indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >>> unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to >>> > indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >>> unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Tanay Bose >>> > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>> > 9830439691(Mobile) >>> > 9674221362 (Mobile) >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to >>> > indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >>> unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to >>> > indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >>> unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> > >>> > Cassine glauca flowers.jpg >>> > 89KViewDownload >>> > >>> > Cassine glauca,Bhutuxia fruit.jpg >>> > 66KViewDownload >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >>> unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Satish Pardeshi >> Plant Taxonomist >> Mumbai, Pune >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To post to this group, send email to indiantree...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to indiantree...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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