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From: Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 09:06
Subject: Re: [itpmods:12933] Fwd: Internship work in eFloraofindia
To: itpmods <itpm...@googlegroups.com>


Government has no reason to recognise unless we are asking for funds.
One day infact I can invisage PM Modi mentioning Garg sir's name in Man ki
Baat :)

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 11:25, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Pankaj ji.
> I always thought of voluntary internship, which a student takes to utilize
> his spare time in holidays and has nothing to do with formal compulsory
> internship.
> We wants to maintain our paperless & meeting free working and does not
> want our selves be involved in any bureaucratic hassles.
> Here also we would like to maintain the same standards. If it is
> acceptable it is OK. If not, than also OK.
>
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 07:32, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I never said that working on efi is not a good idea or has no meaning.
>> Internships are of three types and all three types atleast gives
>> experience to the student.
>>
>> 1. One which is chosen by the student and he or she has the freedom to do
>> what he/she wants and is recognised as a voluntary work, but has no mark
>> value but is supposed to be a part of course the person is undertaking.What
>> the student get is an authorised certificate.
>> 2. Second is a compulsion as a part of their course study and they must
>> do it from a recognised organisation, and the student gets a particular
>> marks for that. What the student get is an authorised certificate.
>> 3. Third is a voluntary act, students get nothing out of it except
>> experience. In this we can give a recommendation letter to the student. I
>> or any one of us can write a letter on respective letterhead stating their
>> involvement and conduct. But this is not certificate.
>>
>> In Hong Kong there is a thing called summer internship and it has to be
>> done from a recognised organisation and hence the organisation is contacted
>> by the students university. Students get some bonus marks for that and its
>> a part of their curriculum and infact if the organisation doesnt give a
>> positive certificate (very rarely if student does something bad) then
>> student may also be expelled from their university.
>> Now, how to get efi involved in this?
>> The best way would be to get it recognised by a UGC recognised
>> university. Then for example a staff member or ex-staff member of
>> University along with Garg sir and some others can sign the certificate,
>> endorsing that the intern has done some work on the efloraofindia from the
>> period of xxx to xxx.
>> Chinese Virtual Herbarium in China is run by the university staff members
>> and anyone involved is recognised by their perfomance based on number of
>> species contributed, number of pics contributed, number of id contributed
>> etc. But as it is run by the University staff itself, hence it is well
>> recognised and it matters for a member to be participating in it.
>> Ours is a different case.
>> We should either get ourself recognised by a university of an
>> organisation.
>> I suggest there are two ways:
>> Officially recognised by any University which any of our current or
>> ex-faculty members can do by putting it up with their university board.
>> Then the certificate can be signed with a logo
>> or
>> Write a letter to Ministry of Environment and Forests and tell them about
>> our work and get it recognised by them (the main basis being it is selfless
>> effort by both scientists and citizen-scientists). It may take some time to
>> get recognised but once done, it would certainly be an achievement. I would
>> suggest this to be done by Gurcharan sir as he is based in Delhi and is
>> well recognised.
>>
>> Please remember that I am not against it, rather I want the intern to
>> earn some authentic certificate from us apart from experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 00:06, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes it is a good idea. We have to do our bit to make the group popular.
>>> I latest Fourth International Edition of my book "Plant Systematics An
>>> Integrated Approach" released in June, 2019 I have added the followng
>>> paragraph:
>>>
>>> Last few years have seen the spurt of internet-based exchange of
>>> information. Efloraofindia (formerly
>>> Indiantreepix) https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ is one of
>>> the biggest non-commercial website,
>>> based on photographic collection of plants. It is documenting flora of
>>> India that is being discussed on
>>> efloraofindia google e-group
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/indiantreepix, devoted to creating
>>> awareness,
>>> helping in identification, discussion and documentation of Indian Flora.
>>> It also has the largest database
>>> on net on Indian Flora with more than 12,000 species (along with more
>>> than 3,00,000 pictures. It also
>>> includes species from other parts of world.
>>>      This will also be there in Fourth Edition of Indian version "Plant
>>> Systematics: Theory and Practice", which will be released soon, and am
>>> happy to note is read widely by College and University students and
>>> teachers.
>>>
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> Mob: 9810359089
>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:48 AM Giby Kuriakose <
>>> giby.kuriak...@shcollege.ac.in> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great Garg ji,
>>>>
>>>> This is something interesting. I support the point that Pankaj shared,
>>>> to some extant. A student by doing an internship would be looking for a
>>>> valid certificate (at the present job scenario is concerned). Valid means
>>>> valid for their respective colleges, universities, companies, firms, etc.
>>>> Many of the colleges and Universities do not know about efi. Whenever I
>>>> deliver an invited lecture I use to incorporate efi as one of the best
>>>> platforms to get plants idied and a great chance to get in touch with
>>>> leading experts in plant taxonomy in India. However, people are reluctant
>>>> to come up with using the platform (a scenario from Kerala, at least). I do
>>>> not know why. Many of the Indian institutes have not yet accepted the idea
>>>> of such groups in solving identification problems. However, we are growing
>>>> further from the base that you laid years back and I believe that this idea
>>>> would also get accepted by botanists and plant taxonomy aspirants in near
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> I include(ed) my role in efi in my CV and whenever there is a query on
>>>> the same, I use to tell them about efi and my role (especially how I learnt
>>>> more about plants that are in distant places that I may not reach from my
>>>> place) in efi precisely. That is more than enough, I believe. We can spread
>>>> the message somehow.
>>>>
>>>> I would be happy to tell my students to take up small assignments such
>>>> as identification comparison and gathering data based on our data archives.
>>>> I shall certainly consider this as an internship as she or he got to know
>>>> how to go about something anew. That would probably help them to go
>>>> further, I am sure.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter whether any agency or admission authority or firm
>>>> would consider the certificate valid. But what is important is that he or
>>>> she (student) has learned to do something (after doing some exercises) that
>>>> would add confidence in the student, for sure. Getting such chances where
>>>> several experts are present is also a matter that should be considered a
>>>> great achievement for a student to start with. That confidence itself would
>>>> be an added boost for a better learning experience. I suggest you to make
>>>> sure that there should be some monitoring and scrutiny of the works done by
>>>> the interns. Based on the recommendations a certificate of appreciation
>>>> shall be issued. Also the names of interns and their respective works shall
>>>> be mentioned in our site. That itself would be a reference for them to
>>>> claim.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Giby
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:43 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Lalithamba ji.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 20:16, Lalithamba Avadhanam <
>>>>> alalitha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yes a good idea to encourage them by issuing  a certificate by our
>>>>>> emeritus persons; they may be entrusted to write notes/key to the species
>>>>>> where it is yet to be done in the efi, or region wise classifications/ to
>>>>>> contribute a few images they have observed like that, it will be useful 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> efi thus they may learn how to manage the data how to study etc.,it will
>>>>>> also teach them how to deal in a group
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> A.Lalithamba
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:01 PM Mohina Macker <mohinamac...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be a good idea to encourage students to contribute towards
>>>>>>> efl as it is an interesting endeavour for the students as well. Perhaps
>>>>>>> instead of calling it an official internship it can be termed as work
>>>>>>> experience. Internship is an official part of education bound by 
>>>>>>> college or
>>>>>>> university regulations of time period, stipends, supervision, etc.
>>>>>>> Perhaps voluntary students could be offered time bound,
>>>>>>> predetermined projects entailing some research and organization to keep
>>>>>>> them engaged.
>>>>>>> I would think one of the senior members or a botanist could then
>>>>>>> give them a certificate, it will look good on a young person's resume.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Mohina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06-Aug-2019, at 01:21, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur <
>>>>>>> anilthakur2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Garg ji
>>>>>>> Internship work in eFloraofindia is a good and innovative idea. This
>>>>>>> will be quite helpful to the interns as well as for the popularization 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> efi. A common certificate may be designed and e-signed by two authorized
>>>>>>> signatories (you and Dr. Singh Sir can do this work). The interns will 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> required to associate with some botanists.  This information may be put 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the efi website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 6 Aug, 2019, 8:34 AM J.M. Garg, <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> May I request other moderators also to give their views and how
>>>>>>>> they feel as it is a very important point of discussion and Pankaj ji 
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> also raised a very important point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun 4 Aug, 2019, 3:43 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Internship work in eFloraofindia
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear members,
>>>>>>>> These days lot of students wants to do internship in their
>>>>>>>> vacations. Lot of them are willing do that even if it's free.
>>>>>>>> I request members to urge botany, taxonomy, ecology students etc.
>>>>>>>> to take up internship work in Efloraofindia. They may be asked to help 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the identifications etc. on the efloraofindia e group
>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix>.
>>>>>>>> In lieu of their work, we may provide suitable certificate in the
>>>>>>>> matter, if required.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian
>>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
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>>>>>>>> or Efloraofindia
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>>>>>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which
>>>>>>>> more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed).
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>>>>>>>> Plants
>>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for 
>>>>>>>> free
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>> ******************************************************
>> ****************************************************************
>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D.
>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia*
>>
>> *Office*:
>>
>> Orchid Conservation Section
>>
>> Flora Conservation Department
>>
>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
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>
> --
> With regards,
> J.M.Garg
>
> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>
> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>.
>
> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora,
> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the
> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or 
> Efloraofindia
> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species
> database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than
> 1,70,000 images are directly displayed).
>
> The whole world uses my Image Resource
> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a
> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc.
> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as
> per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
>
> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of
> India'.
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website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species
database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than
1,70,000 images are directly displayed).

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thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc.
(arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as
per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

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