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From: D.S Rawat <[email protected]>
Date: Sat 7 Sep, 2019, 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [itpmods:13183] Fwd: Importance of eforaofindia site
To: <[email protected]>


Paying for more space is a good alternative and easily possible. I agree
with it. Though I think we may have to ask for more than 70-90GB which is
approximate size of our current holdings (images). Images will be uploaded
in future and more space will be required.
We, Pillars, Mods may contribute small amount for keeping this site useful
for general users. It will be a great honor to contribute to the mission of
showcasing plant diversity of India, started by Garg Ji.
DSRawat Pantnagar
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr D.S. Rawat
Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture &
Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA
*eflorapantnagar* <https://sites.google.com/site/eflorapantnagar/home>
displaying wild flora of Pantnagar


On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote:

> I agree with you Gurcharan ji and welcome the idea of going into pay mode
> of sites.
> All those willing, will contribute for the cause of building and
> maintaining eFI site.
> One concern is - the eFI Google Sites is Garg ji's individual Google
> account as of now - which needs to be converted to some kind of
> "organization" account - for a perennial solution.
> Someone familiar with making some sort of "organization" to which willing
> members will join and subscribe to paying money for running the
> organization.
> I have very little knowledge in this regard.
>
> Rawat ji, the "new site" of Google sites is based on "templates" and is
> not as friendly as "classic site" that we are used to.
> The "new site" in my opinion is good for site having finite pages.
> Personally I did not like the concept.
> But that alternative is open, in case we wish to go in that direction. But
> must note that it is one-way. "New site" cannot be rolled back to "classic
> site".
> I am doubtful the "new site" will tackle images inserted from Google
> Groups.
>
> I have a feeling that Google may have purposefully changed the Group
> settings - to discourage such image content insertion from Groups to Sites.
> It kind of kills their revenue model. But this is just my thinking.
>
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 11:01 AM D.S Rawat <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Direct uploading of images requires more memory space for the site. Free
>> google sites provide 100MB only. What Singh Sir said is possible only if
>> more memory is provided (in hundreds of GBs or even in TB).
>> Some other alternative is needed.
>> Probably, our site has become so data loaded as not imagined by Google
>> while developing this plateform of Google sites.
>> What is the experience of converting Google sites into new mode. Google
>> always asks for converting site into new. Can it solve the problem ? I have
>> little knowledge about structure and facilities provided in new format of
>> sites as I am still running  eflorapantnagar in old format. Though whenever
>> I login Google ask to convert to new format.
>> DSRawat
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dr D.S. Rawat
>> Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture &
>> Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA
>> *eflorapantnagar* <https://sites.google.com/site/eflorapantnagar/home>
>> displaying wild flora of Pantnagar
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:04 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Singh ji, for your initiative.
>>> We have already inserted around 2 lakh images in the site through urls
>>> of efi group in past three and a half years.
>>> It is not possible for any human being to really replicate this. If
>>> somebody can do it, it will be really appreciable.
>>> Value of larger images is much more than small images as far as seeing
>>> the details are concerned.
>>> I think it is Google Chrome problem and they have to come out of it.
>>>
>>> On Fri 6 Sep, 2019, 8:57 PM Gurcharan Singh, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today I had a thorough discussion with my daughter-in-law. We have
>>>> categorised pages on the basis of accessibility
>>>> 1. Pages like the main page and alphabetic lists which open normally
>>>> 2. Pages which show deceptive site for few seconds, then opens but no
>>>> images are shows, we only see their site address
>>>> 3. Pages which show deceptive site screen and the page never opens.
>>>>      We will work on this tomorrow but problem seems to lie with
>>>> images. Till we find an alternative solution, I think we change the method
>>>> of insertion. We may download the images on computer and them insert them
>>>> through direct upload to our website. This should work. After all we have
>>>> contributed the same images (and that contributes the bulk mainly by Garg
>>>> ji, Dinesh ji, me, Prashant ji, Pankaj ji Pravin ji, Aarti ji, and others)
>>>> to Flowers of India, which is working very well.
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>>> Mob: 9810359089
>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:22 AM D.S Rawat <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agree with Dr G. Singh Sir.
>>>>> The site is meant for general users.
>>>>>
>>>>> DSRawat Pantnagar
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Dr D.S. Rawat
>>>>> Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture
>>>>> & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA
>>>>> *eflorapantnagar* <https://sites.google.com/site/eflorapantnagar/home>
>>>>> displaying wild flora of Pantnagar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 4:57 PM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no doubt in that, and especially in last few months, links
>>>>>> to efl website and its individual page come up multiple times in google
>>>>>> search. However, to make it useful gor general public we have to find 
>>>>>> ways
>>>>>> to correct the 'Deceptive site' tag., and sooner we do it better for us. 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am talking about general users (not few of us who can access the 
>>>>>> website).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>>>>> Retired  Associate Professor
>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>>>>> Mob: 9810359089
>>>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 7:04 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Dinesh ji,
>>>>>>> Yes, very unique aspect highlighted.
>>>>>>> Another important thing we have is flowering time of our
>>>>>>> observations.
>>>>>>> That is sometimes very important clue to the ids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 15:01
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:13171] Fwd: Importance of eforaofindia site
>>>>>>>> To: itpmods <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To me, discussions related to a plant are often as important as the
>>>>>>>> description found in any Flora; definitely an important add-on for 
>>>>>>>> studying
>>>>>>>> the plant from personal perspective.
>>>>>>>> Possibilities of one species confused for another, usually come to
>>>>>>>> light.
>>>>>>>> Variations in aspects of plant if any, also get to be seen.
>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 11:26 AM Mohina Macker <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree with Rakesh ji. EFL and FOI are very useful.
>>>>>>>>> I pretty much do the same and also consult my books.
>>>>>>>>> sometimes I also check the Indian Flora facebook site.
>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>> mohina
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 10:47 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 10:46
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Importance of eforaofindia site
>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I got an insightful comments, mentioned in one thread by Rakesh
>>>>>>>>>> ji (who is deeply involved in Indian Flora facebook group and 
>>>>>>>>>> recently in
>>>>>>>>>> efi group) as per one thread
>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/Ug4oEm-raV4>
>>>>>>>>>> as below:
>>>>>>>>>> "*For identification of species, I primarily rely on FOI and
>>>>>>>>>> EFI. Google is helpful too, so are online flora, but not by much*
>>>>>>>>>> ."
>>>>>>>>>> I think this was not much different for me, up to just a few
>>>>>>>>>> years back. I think it is still the approach if we do not have some 
>>>>>>>>>> new or
>>>>>>>>>> problem ids. In fact, my use of efi site has been very extensive,
>>>>>>>>>> particularly in areas where we have comparative images on genus and 
>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>> pages and now when we have vast collection of images on each page, 
>>>>>>>>>> to rule
>>>>>>>>>> out any ambiguity. Of course, I supplement it with other sites, when 
>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>> required.
>>>>>>>>>> I think approach of our members and those on facebook groups etc.
>>>>>>>>>> may not be much different from two of us, except for specialised 
>>>>>>>>>> experts in
>>>>>>>>>> their areas.
>>>>>>>>>> Others may also give their comments about this matter.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of
>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest
>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 
>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia
>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a
>>>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of 
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource
>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more
>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, 
>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies,
>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use 
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common
>>>>>>>>>> Birds of India'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of
>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest
>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 
>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia
>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a
>>>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of 
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource
>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more
>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, 
>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies,
>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use 
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common
>>>>>>>>>> Birds of India'.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian
>>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest
>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) 
>>>>>>>> or Efloraofindia
>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a
>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which
>>>>>>>> more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource
>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than
>>>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, 
>>>>>>>> Plants
>>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for 
>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>> as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds
>>>>>>>> of India'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian
>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in
>>>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or 
>>>>>>> Efloraofindia
>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a
>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which
>>>>>>> more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource
>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than
>>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants
>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for 
>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>> as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds
>>>>>>> of India'.
>>>>>>>
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