Bracteoles are very necessary for final conclusion. Stamen number although mentioned as important is not applicable based on description S. indica Stamens (5 or) 6-8(-10); filaments 10-35 mm; S. asoka Stamens (5 — )6 — 8( — 10); filaments (10-) 17-25 mm.
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 4:30:10 PM UTC+5:30, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: > > You may be right Mr. Garg. I did not take the image but being a very old > tree > the diameter of the trunk seems to be more than 34cm. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Does not appear to be *Saraca asoca* (Roxb.) Willd. >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/saraca/saraca-asoca> >> as >> per details and images herein, as suggested by Rakesh ji. >> Pl. check *Saraca indica *per Flora Malesiana >> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/3406275b-6084-4846-b01b-ae4c370e9cc4> >> (*Flowering collections of Saraca indica can be recognized by the >> rather higher number of stamens (usually 6-8) and the bracteoles which are >> erecto-patent to spreading, not clasping the pedicel, and caducous or >> persistent during anthesis*.) with differences as per illustration at >> Link >> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/3406275b-6084-4846-b01b-ae4c370e9cc4/images>. >> >> I can not check the differences as pointed out in the illustration. >> >> Descriptions are given below: >> *Saraca indica * >> *Tree to 24 m tall and 34 cm in diam*. *Leaves (l-)2-4(-7)-jugate*, >> subsessile to shortly petioled; petiole and rachis (0.5-)7-25(-35) cm long. >> *Inflorescences >> up to 10(-22) cm wide*, *slightly pubescent or subglabrous*, *main >> branches up to c. 14 cm long, 1.5-5 mm diam*.; bracts elliptic or >> ovate-oblong, 3-8 by 1.5-4.5 mm, caducous or persistent, puberulous and/or >> minutely ciliate on the margin; *bracteoles caducous or persistent >> during anthesis, erecto-patent to spreading, *broadly elliptic or ovate, >> 3-8 by 1.5-5 mm, glabrous or minutely ciliate on the margin; pedicels (4-) >> 12-20(-35) mm, the length between bracteoles and flower 7-10(-14) mm. >> *Flowers >> orange yellow, to deep orange or purple, or red, articulated near the base, >> glabrous. **Stamens (5 or) 6-8(-10); filaments 10-35 mm, often >> puberulous at the basal parts*; anthers ellipsoid or oblong, c. 1 mm >> long; staminodes absent. Seeds ovoid-oblong, sometimes reniform, 4-5 by >> 2-2.5 cm, and 0.6-1.2 cm thick. >> *Asia-Tropical:, Jawa (Jawa ‒ present); Laos (Laos ‒ present); Malaya >> (Peninsular Malaysia ‒ present); Sumatera (Sumatera ‒ present); Thailand >> (Thailand ‒ present) S Vietnam: present* >> *Thailand, Laos, S Vietnam; Malesia: Sumatra, Malay Peninsula, Java* >> Commonly cultivated as an ornamental >> >> *Saraca asoca* >> *Tree up to 10 m tall and 10 cm in diam*., *sometimes shrub or >> medium-sized shrub, 4.5 m tall*. *Leaves (l-)4-6-jugate*, subsessile to >> shortly petioled; (petiole and) rachis (0.5-)7-15(-30) cm long. >> *Inflorescences >> 1.5-12(-20) cm wide*, glabrous, *main* *branches up to c. 6 cm long, >> 1.5-2 mm diam*.; bracts broadly ovate, ovate or obovate, 1-6 by 1 — 3.5( >> — 5) mm, caducous or persistent, puberulous and/or minutely ciliate on the >> margin; *bracteoles persistent during anthesis, erect, embracing the >> pedicel, never spreading more than 45° from the pedicel, *ovate, >> elliptic, or obovate, 2-7 by 1.5-4 mm, sparsely puberulous, subglabrous or >> glabrous except minutely ciliate on the margin; pedicels 8-18 mm, the >> length between bracteoles and flower (4-)7-10 mm. *Flowers obscurely or >> not articulated near the base*, subglabrous or glabrous, *orange yellow, >> when older deep orange or orange red*,* fragrant during the night*. *Stamens >> (5 — )6 — 8( — 10);* *filaments (10-) 17-25 mm, glabrous*; anthers >> ellipsoid or oblong, 1.5-2 mm long; staminodes 0-2. Seeds >> oblong-ellipsoid, sometimes slightly reniform, 2-3 by 1.25-2 cm, and 0.6-1 >> cm thick. >> *Asia-Tropical:, Bangladesh (Bangladesh ‒ present); India ‒ present; Jawa >> (Jawa ‒ present); Malaya (Peninsular Malaysia ‒ present); Sri Lanka (Sri >> Lanka ‒ present); Sumatera (Sumatera ‒ present) Papua New Guinea: present >> west of the Irrawaddy R.: present* >> India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Burma (west of the Irrawaddy R.). >> Introduced and cultivated in Malesia, specimens seen from Sumatra, Malay >> Peninsula, Java, Papua New Guinea. >> The species is frequently planted near shrines, occasionally in gardens >> and villages as an ornamental. Its bark, leaves and flowers said to have >> medicinal properties . >> >> Saraca declinata >> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/e79743b7-19e5-4ed4-a7b2-6a8558f080a8> >> >> is mentioned in Flora Malesiana, but possibly not cultivated. >> >> I can observe filaments are puberulous as mentioned in Saraca indica >> (glabrous >> in Saraca asoca). So possibly it can be Saraca indica >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 14:48 >> Subject: Re: SK 2383 13 January 2020 >> To: efloraindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 3:02 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear members, >>> >>> Location: Bangkok, Thailand >>> Date: 07 December 2019 >>> Elevation: MSL >>> Habitat: Cultivated >>> >>> Which Saraca? asoca or indica?? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/692486eb-9fdd-4c0a-996c-141ec05105b4%40googlegroups.com.
