Please point to a description of Piper peepuloides, if you find it. Tabish ------------------------------------------- <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net The waterhole of flower lovers
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:47 PM Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Garg ji, > The male spikes do appear to be of the size of spikes of Prashant's > plant! Good investigation! > Tabish > ------------------------------------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:34 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On further checking, I found that the answer was rightly placed. >> It should be a male plant as per GBIF >> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=4185920>- Specimen >> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fsweetgum.nybg.org%2Fimages3%2F3613%2F499%2F04152202.jpg> >> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 21:19, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Tabish ji. >>> Sorry, I think I had posted the reply in a wrong thread. >>> >>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 20:55, Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Although Piper peepuloides is found in Khasi hills, its flower spikes >>>> look very different. See a sketch from a paper. >>>> Tabish >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 7:27 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A reply from another thread from Prasanta Kumar Mukherjee for this >>>>> image: >>>>> Piper peepulloides. >>>>> PLM >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 17:47, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Tailed%20Pepper.html >>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FTailed%2520Pepper.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEc3biXnckmTsWt_Ghj3_NakW72LA> >>>>>> - >>>>>> from me >>>>>> FoI says it is introduced ! >>>>>> Piper cubeba - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Piper_cubeba >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiwppO-0tPpAhVXIbcAHTqyBY4QFjACegQIDBAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPiper_cubeba&usg=AOvVaw3aps_Kp2EXKnNei7VQi4R2> >>>>>> Piper cubeba L. fil. | Species | India Biodiversity >>>>>> Portalindiabiodiversity.org › species › show >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiwppO-0tPpAhVXIbcAHTqyBY4QFjADegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Findiabiodiversity.org%2Fspecies%2Fshow%2F230716&usg=AOvVaw0UL2j2FlQZ2no0gy0VS3G-> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> Could be something else. But it doesn't look like Piper khasianum >>>>>> because in P. khasianum leaves are 6-10 cm long, and flower spikes are >>>>>> much >>>>>> shorter, 2-3 cm. In Prashant's plant the spikes look as long as the >>>>>> leaves. >>>>>> Tabish >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not seen anywhere in the following publications on Piper >>>>>> Species in India: >>>>>> Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India >>>>>> <https://www.biotaxa.org/Phytotaxa/article/view/phytotaxa.289.2.9> - >>>>>> PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 289 (2): 188–192, 2017 >>>>>> Abstract More than a century ago, the comprehensive account of the >>>>>> *Piperaceae* in the Flora of British India by Hooker (1886) listed >>>>>> 45 species of Piper (including *Pothomorphe*) and ten species of >>>>>> *Peperomia* from India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Nepal, Philippines, Sri >>>>>> Lanka as well as the Indonesian islands Java and Sumatra. The genus Piper >>>>>> was treated under six sections, wherein he listed 28 species from present >>>>>> day India. Several years later, C. de Candolle (1923) recognized 95 >>>>>> species >>>>>> of Piper and eight of Peperomia from India, including 41 species of Piper >>>>>> that were new, although they were not described fully until 1925. A >>>>>> number >>>>>> of new species and varieties were also added by Van Heurck & Müller >>>>>> Argoviensis (1871), C. de Candolle (1910, 1912), Gamble (1924), Ravindran >>>>>> et al. (1987), Babu et al. (1993), Gajurel et al. (2001 a & b, 2007), >>>>>> Lekhak et al. (2012), and Mathew et al. (2016). In the meantime, some >>>>>> regional accounts of the genus Piper were also published, including >>>>>> Rahiman >>>>>> & Nair (1987) from Karnataka, Gajurel et al. (2002, 2008) from Arunachal >>>>>> Pradesh, and Das et al. (2010) from Terai Duars, Darjeeling, and Sikkim. >>>>>> Long (1984) published an account of *Piperaceae* from Bhutan that >>>>>> included records from Sikkim, wherein he suggested some new synonyms. A >>>>>> critical examination of these publications points to their limitations >>>>>> concerning some of the identities and nomenclature. >>>>>> Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India II >>>>>> <https://www.biotaxa.org/Phytotaxa/article/view/phytotaxa.338.1.2> - >>>>>> PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 338 (1): 017–032, 2018 >>>>>> Abstract In continuation of the taxonomic study of the genus Piper >>>>>> from India (Mukherjee, 2017), eighty-four Piper names, reported from >>>>>> India, >>>>>> are considered here for their typification, identity, and nomenclature. >>>>>> The >>>>>> scrutiny led to the recognition of twenty-four species. Thirty-five >>>>>> synonyms are proposed as new ones out of sixty-one treated here. >>>>>> Lectotypes >>>>>> are designated for almost all the species recognised here together with >>>>>> their synonyms or basionyms. Holotypes are mentioned when applicable. Of >>>>>> particular mention are P. hookeri and P. sylvaticum with confused >>>>>> identities and lacking proper typification. Corrections are suggested to >>>>>> earlier lectotypifications for *P. hymenophyllum* and *P. >>>>>> rhytidocarpum*. Extension of distribution to India from Myanmar are >>>>>> recorded for three species: *P. acutistigmum, P. leptostachyum *and* >>>>>> P. pothoides*. - from me >>>>>> >>>>>> Are this links reliable? >>>>>> Shital Chini - Cubeb >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj96sOt4tPpAhVtxzgGHZi5CMIQFjAGegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdir.indiamart.com%2Fimpcat%2Fcubeb.html&usg=AOvVaw12vRZ8JfRg9BKRGzYPbgte> >>>>>> Piper Cubeba >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj96sOt4tPpAhVtxzgGHZi5CMIQFjAIegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherherbs.com%2Fpiper-cubeba.html&usg=AOvVaw16PA_6JHZcv668xs_hlWMz> >>>>>> By the way can we rely on IBP where it is mentioned? >>>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=1672 >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> Reliable document on published documents I have given you - from me >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my opinion as found in the Net ! Basically I have not much >>>>>> knowledge about >>>>>> Indian flora distribution ! But many sources says it is cultivated in >>>>>> India ! >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> But the Prashant ji's posted plant is wild.- from me >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 at 14:04 >>>>>> Subject: Piper cubeba in FOI >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Cc: Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com>, Prashant awale <pkaw...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Images of Piper cubeba in FOI by Prashant ji may be of some other >>>>>> species as *Piper cubeba *L.fil. is not found in India as per Catalogue >>>>>> of Life >>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/e021fdfaa50c5f0d3f7c24e4316ecd9b> >>>>>> ; >>>>>> Can it be *Piper khasianum *C.DC. (syn: *Piper curtistipes* C.DC.) >>>>>> as per GBIF >>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=4191405> Specimen >>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F390665.jpg> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>> more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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