This location has plenty of C. buchanania and have not seen other sp. So it could be the same. However, I shall try for fresh images in coming season. Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 5:51 PM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Forwarding for ID > Distributed as Clematis gouriana ? > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/ranunculaceae/clematis/clematis-gouriana-1> > > Group discussion at > Fwd: SK280DEC28-2016:ID- 2 (google.com) > <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/3Cs5_7Kd-g0> > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: JM Garg <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 9:57:14 PM UTC+5:30 > Subject: Fwd: SK280DEC28-2016:ID- 2 > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > Cc: Saroj Kumar Kasaju <[email protected]>, > [email protected] <[email protected]>, > [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > 1. Dinesh Vijigiri <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sir it may be Clematis heynei or C. gouriyana > > > 2. Dear Saroj > > It is nice to have more than just one or two images of a Clematis (and all > other genera) to inspect but most of the 8 images taken are similar, > revealing much the same information. PLEASE on future occasions with > Clematis at the fruiting stage, can you take close-ups of the foliage > including the undersides of the leaves. > > It is always much harder to be sure about an identification at the > fruiting stage as often reference images are few-and-far-between. > > The suggestion of C.heynei does not fit given its known distribution in > S.India - as far as I know it has not been recorded from Nepal. > It is known as the 'Deccan Clematis' on the 'Flowers of India' site. > > Let us consider Clematis gouriana. > > 'Flora of Kathmandu Valley' lists 9 species of Clematis including Clematis > gouriana which they recorded from 1667-2121m below Phulchoki. Using > their key C.gouriana is a possible species but I do not rely upon keys > ONLY and one must ALWAYS wonder as to how reliable the information in Floras > is. It seems that CURRENTLY the accepted name for what was known as > C.gouriana Roxb. ex DC is now *Clematis javana.* > > They assign the local name of 'Junge lahara' to C.gouriana AND other > Clematis incl. C.buchananiana and C.montana. > > They say C.gouriana is common in mixed forest flowering and fruiting in > November. *Yet 'Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' gives an * > *altitudinal distribution of 500-1600m. So I cannot but wonder IF the > Clematis below Phulchoki really is C.gouriana? It MIGHT be.* > > Flora of Bhutan lists C.gouriana DC. on shrubs at margins of subtropical > and warm broad-leaves forests @ 150-2000m flowering October to November > in both Bhutan and Sikkim. > > Stewart recorded C.gouriana from N.Pakistan in the foothill zone to 1200m. > > Flora Simlensis records C.gouriana from valleys below Shimla and hilly > districts throughout India @ 300-900m plus Java and the Philippines. > > *At present I am uncertain how to distinguish, particularly at the > fruiting stage and without close-up images, between C.javana and similar > species.* > > I have a copy of 'Clematis' by S.L.Kapoor (Flowering Plants of India, > Bulletin of the National Botanic Gardens, No. 124, 1966). The author gives > a distribution from NW Himalaya to Assam and in S.India at 305-2440m. > > He observes that this species is highly variable with regard to the shape, > texture, venation and indumentum of the leaflets. Apparently specimens > from what was Burma approach the leaflets of C.javana.... > > C.triloba Heyne (now a synonym of C.heynei) is described by Kapoor. > > *Given my criticism of some works, I have found Kapoor's efforts of value > - extensive and thorough. He examined a lot of herbarium specimens, > appears to comment about each Clematis known from India at that time, in a > way one can have confidence in. His written descriptions and the line > drawings seem of a high standard * > --- > from Chadwell ji. > > > *---------- Forwarded message ----------From: Saroj Kasaju* < > [email protected]> > Date: 29 December 2016 at 14:28 > Subject: SK280DEC28-2016:ID > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. 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