Thank you Gurucharan sir! Is the image plant from same place of label plate? Does the leaf margin match?
Saroj Kasaju On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > This should remove your doubt Saroj ji, UCBG has plants from different > parts of the World Grown in the Garden. > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 5:09 PM Saroj Kumar Kasaju <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Only one sp. *Comarostaphylis diversifolia* (Parry) Greene has got >> distribution in California. >> And I guess it is matching with *Comarostaphylis diversifolia* (Parry) >> Greene with net >> images and herb image of POWO. >> Thank you >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: JM Garg <[email protected]> >> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 9:13:46 AM UTC+5:45 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:343627] Comarostaphylis arbutoides from >> California-GS15022020-2 >> To: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Saroj Kumar Kasaju < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> Hi, Singh ji, >> My doubt is about the leaves. Pl. find any authoritative link where you >> can see such serrated leaves. >> I checked on net and I am not finding it anywhere. Pl. see >> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=7327487> >> (specimens) >> Book link >> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=5H08DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA171&dq=Comarostaphylis+arbutoides&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXq-us7v_nAhVFdCsKHcsCB-sQ6AEIOzAC#v=onepage&q=Comarostaphylis%20arbutoides&f=false> >> https://www.nybg.org/bsci/res/hall/arbutoides.html >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comarostaphylis_arbutoides >> >> You may further check the keys in NYBG >> <https://www.nybg.org/bsci/res/lut2/comarostaphylis.html> to find the >> correct species. >> >> >> On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 22:14, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> A better view of Leaves and inflorescence >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Mob: 9810359089 >>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Here are the fruits on the same tree >>>> >>>> http://berkeleybutterflyblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/comarostaphylis-arbutoides-aka.html >>>> >>>> >>>> and those of C. diversifolia >>>> >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comarostaphylis_diversifolia#/media/File:Comarostaphylisdiversifolia.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:28 PM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Garg ji >>>>> You seem to be inclined towards C. diversifolia because it isthe only >>>>> commonly cultivated species. But we should not forget that this plant is >>>>> from UCBG where plants from different parts of the world are grown and >>>>> maintained. I don't expect even 1 % that botanists of such a renowned >>>>> Garden, where hundreds of botanists visit, would have put a wrong label. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:05 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I found your flowers and leaves more closer to Comarostaphylis >>>>>> diversifolia >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 18:01, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If so, than I have to look for such leaves on net. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 16:56, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Comarostaphylis arbutoides for me >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:54 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Singh ji. >>>>>>>>> So what is the final id ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 18:16, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> May be this should be helpful >>>>>>>>>> C. diversifolia: mature fruits red, calyx lobes lanceolate or >>>>>>>>>> narrowly triangular; >>>>>>>>>> inflorescences usually gray-tomentose. >>>>>>>>>> C. arbutoides: Mature fruit black; calyx lobes usually >>>>>>>>>> triangular or >>>>>>>>>> ovate-triangular, inflorescences glabrous to variously >>>>>>>>>> pubescent, >>>>>>>>>> but not gray-tomentose. >>>>>>>>>> here is link to infl. of C. diversifolia >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0215+3120 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am attaching image of part of infl. in my plant >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 5:06 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>>>> Can not say, but here are the links: >>>>>>>>>>> https://calscape.org/Comarostaphylis-diversifolia-(Summer-Holly) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.calflora.org/cgi-bin/species_query.cgi?where-taxon=Comarostaphylis+diversifolia >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.laspilitas.com/nature-of-california/plants/214--comarostaphylis-diversifolia >>>>>>>>>>> https://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/eflora/eflora_display.php?tid=49949 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 16:19, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Comarostaphylis diversifolia?? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 4:26 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> NYBG >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.nybg.org/bsci/res/lut2/comarostaphylis_arbutoides.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>> says leaves are marginally entire, sometimes undulate, rarely >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a few >>>>>>>>>>>>> serrations. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To me looks different in view of above and as per >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nybg.org/bsci/res/hall/arbutoides.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comarostaphylis_arbutoides >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Comarostaphylis_arbutoides_(9679361145).jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Comarostaphylis_arbutoides_(9679361145).jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 13:29 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:343175] Comarostaphylis arbutoides >>>>>>>>>>>>> from California-GS15022020-2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Comarostaphylis arbutoides L. 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You can also use them for free as >>>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds >>>>>> of India'. >>>>>> >>>>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytSq6XGiJreuvi6DEnYXf5cbdfZtfq_Mkb3J3zUHawTpeA%40mail.gmail.com.
