Forwarding for ID Distributed as Nervilia species <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/orchidaceae/nervilia/nervilia-species> Group discussion at Nervillia sp. (google.com) <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/zxWilNdAfm4/m/pyqF2jyCQnIJ>
On Thursday, November 24, 2011 at 11:17:26 AM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. > Some earlier relevant feedback: > “This seems to be the other species of Nervilia i.e.N. infundibulifolia. > -- > Regards, > Sweedle ” > > “Neil Sir, your orchid is not Nervilia aragoana for sure but what Sweedle > has provided is 100% N. aragoana. Sweedle is also an > Orchidologist on the group so she cant go wrong so easily. > Nervilia genus can be divided into three sections: > Section Linervia: Inflorescence with 1 flower > Section Vinerfia: Inflorescence with 2 flower > Section Nervilia: Inflorescence with multiple flower > Dr. Neil's pic is for sure in normal condition and bearing single flower. > Sweedle's pic is multiflowered: with green petals and sepals and lip all > points to a typical Nervilia aragoana. > So the question is what is Dr. Neil's plant. Nervilia infundibulifolia is > supposed to have papillose ridges on the lip which I cant see in > the pic. There is another orchid very similar to this, Nervilia falcata, > it has single glandular pubescent line running from the base > of the lip till the tip. That is also not visible. It can be a slightly > deformed flower lacking these characters, not a big deal. > Some more closeup shots should be helpful. > The image of Nervilia infundibulifolia in Sathish Pande et al. book on > Orchids of Northern western Ghats shows dry flower and hence identity > cant be confirmed from atleast that particular pic.” from Pankaj ji. > > > “Will have to wait till it throws a new leaf after it finishes flowering > to be absolutely sure. > Regards, > Neil.” > > "Secondly, the keys are not based on the length of the stalk though such > key exists in Santapau and Kapadia. It can elongate or shortened according > to the climate. Try keeping them in shade, they give different colour, > different length and even different patterns on the lip. The plant shared > by Neil sir is not from wild and for 100% sure it will show variation. > It can be Nervilia juliana that has been reported from Maharastra. But > from this pic, we cant make out if the midlobe has hairs inside > (N. juliana), all the three (falcata, infundibulifolia, juliana) have > somewhat rhomboidal midlobe, lip is supposed to be longer than petals > in juliana which is not so in the pic, N. infundibulifolia is supposed to > be deeply channeled which is somewhat evident in the pic as light > green line, but yes its not so clear, neither the papillose lining is > clear to confirm that it is N. falcata, moreover I dont think falcata > is available in Maharastra, unless reported recently. Having a new record > from Maharastra will not be a big deal though as from > Chhotanagpur we had only one species reported before but during my work, I > found 6 and two of which I am still not able to confirm. > These were the reasons why I wasnt able to confirm about Dr Neil's plant. > Nervilia is very tricky among the terrestrial ones. I have seen > so many variation and so many new records and recently we have > communicated a new species of Nervilia from western Himalaya, the > closest ally of which is N. infundibulifolia, it took us 2 years to > understand if we can really say its new. > Please note that I am not saying that this is not juliana, I am just > saying that we cant confirm from this image. Easiest way to confirm > will be to take out the lip and find hairs on the lower end!! if they r > there then you are right!! > Pankaj" > > "Just in case if some one has Seidenfaden's reference on Nervilia then > please share. G. Seidenfaden wrote in one of his comments that N. > infundibulifolia, mackinonnii and falcata could be conspecific. I imagine > on what grounds. May be he was too much confused too as he never tried this > on his own. This reference is available at TBGRI if Dr. Santosh sir could > help. > Regards > Pankaj" > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Neil Soares <[email protected]> > Date: 27 May 2011 18:48 > Subject: [efloraofindia:70478] Nervillia sp. > To: [email protected] > > > Hi, > Photographed at my home in Bombay today. While watering some saplings > awaiting transportation to my farm at Shahapur [with the arrival of the > monsoons] was surprised to find this orchid blooming. Haven't the faintest > idea where it came from, but it sure is welcome ! > Presume it is Nervillia aragoana [the Greenish Rib-leaf Orchid]. > With regards, > Neil Soares. > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg ([email protected]) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* > & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise): > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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