Maybe they become dilated when old.
Pl. see Cirsium wallichii ABJUNE2017/01
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/JuRrV9tsnEs>

On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 15:30, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:

> To me phyllaries appear similar to those at *Cirsium wallichii* DC.
> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/cirsium/cirsium-wallichii>
>  and
> as in your post at Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium
> wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)
> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/GWz1njtOkr0>
> Looks different from phyllaries and spines at Cirsium verutum
> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/15/cirsium-verutum/> and Cirsium
> argyracanthum
> <https://efloraofindia.com/2013/07/02/cirsium-argyracanthum/>
> I do not see any other closer species, as per keys at *Cirsium wallichii*
>  DC.
> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/cirsium/cirsium-wallichii>
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 at 12:35, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In Cirsium wallichii inner involucre bracts are with dilated tips, which
>> I don't see here.
>> Please see my upload
>> Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from
>> Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/GWz1njtOkr0>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 4:17:57 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote:
>>
>>> I think *Cirsium wallichii* DC.
>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/cirsium/cirsium-wallichii>,
>>> as per discussions and keys from Flora of Bhutan and specimens from POWO at 
>>> SK
>>> 3195 03 September 2021
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4HvHdjTQILI>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Nidhan Singh <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 at 09:16
>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:157564] Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid
>>> Heads: Cirsium for id from near Chakrata - NS 43
>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> This robust thistle was shot from near Dak Pathar, during tour to
>>> Chakrata..can this be *Cirsium wallichii *?
>>>
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