Yes, Gargji, let us keep it at that. Regards Alka Khare
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:01:19 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > Let me further analyse the descriptions from Flora of China: > > > > *Saussurea gnaphalodes* (Royle ex Candolle) Schultz Bipontinus > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200024414> > > *Saussurea glacialis* Herder > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250097345> > > > > Herbs 1.5-6(-10) cm tall, perennial, polycarpic,* caespitose*. Caudex > branched at ground level, usually with many leaf rosettes and flowering > shoots. Stem solitary, 1-3 mm in diam., erect, simple. > Rosette and stem leaves shortly petiolate; petiole purple;* leaf blade > obovate, spatulate, or linear-oblong, 5-20 × 2-8 mm, *abaxially whitish > with dark midvein and arachnoid tomentose, adaxially white or brownish > arachnoid lanate, base cuneate-attenuate, margin entire, crenate, or > obtusely dentate, apex obtuse to rounded. > *Capitula 5-20,* in a hemispheric synflorescence 2-4 cm in diam., > sessile. Involucre cylindric, (3-)5-8 mm in diam. Phyllaries in 3 or 4 > rows, membranous, straw-colored to light brown, apically dark brown > strigose, apex obtuse to acuminate; outer phyllaries ovate-oblong, 7-8 × > 2-3.5 mm; middle and inner phyllaries narrowly ovate-elliptic to linear, > 6-9 × 1-2 mm. Receptacle bristles 0.5-1.5 mm. > *Corolla rose-purple*, 8-9 mm, tube 4-5 mm, limb 4-4.5 mm, lobes 2-2.5 > mm. > Achene brown to dirty white with dark spots, cylindric to obconic, 3-4 mm, > smooth, glabrous or gland-dotted. Pappus mouse-gray to blackish; outer > bristles 2-4 mm, sometimes reflexed; inner bristles 8-9 mm. Fl. and fr. > Jun-Sep. 2*n* = 48*. > > *Alpine scree slopes; 2700-5800 m. *Gansu, Qinghai, W Sichuan, S and W > Xinjiang, Xizang [NE Afghanistan, NW India, Kashmir, E Kazakhstan, > Kyrgyzstan, W Nepal, N Pakistan, Tajikistan]. > > Herbs 2-6(-10) cm tall, perennial, polycarpic,* shortly stemmed.* *Caudex* > slender, branched, with several leaf rosettes and flowering stems,* > covered with remains of petioles.* Stem solitary, 1-3 mm in diam., erect, > simple. > > *Rosette and stem leaves shortly petiolate; leaf blade narrowly elliptic > to obovate, 1.5-4 × 0.4-1 cm,* abaxially white lanate, adaxially > yellowish or white lanate, base cuneate-attenuate, margin crenate or > entire, apex obtuse. > > > > > *Capitula 3-15, *in a hemispheric synflorescence 1.5-4 cm in diam., > sessile. Involucre cylindric to narrowly campanulate, (5-)7-10 mm in diam. > Phyllaries in 3 or 4 rows, scarious, apically purple or blackish, apex > acute to acuminate; outer phyllaries narrowly ovate-elliptic, 9-13 × 2.5-3 > mm, apically lanate; middle phyllaries narrowly oblong, 8-13 × 1.5-2.5 mm; > inner phyllaries narrowly elliptic to linear, 9-13 × 1-1.5 mm, glabrous. > Receptacle bristles white, 0.5-2.5 mm. > *Corolla purple,* 9-10 mm, tube 3-4 mm, limb 6-6.5 mm, lobes 2-2.5 mm. > > Achene cylindric to obconic, 3-4 mm, glabrous. Pappus in 2 rows; outer > bristles dirty white, 2-5 mm, scabrid to plumose, sometimes lacking; inner > bristles basally brown, apically dirty white, 8-11 mm. Fl. and fr. Jul-Aug. > > *Alpine scree slopes; 3800-5200 m.* Qinghai, Xinjiang, Xizang [E > Afghanistan, NW India, Kashmir, E Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, N > Pakistan, Russia (Siberia), Tajikistan]. > > > > > > > Both appear to be rather close. > Keeping it at Saussurea glacialis > <https://efloraofindia.com/2013/06/03/saussurea-glacialis/>, for the time > being. though not convinced. > > > On Sat, 29 Oct 2022 at 15:14, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Any critical feedback? >> >> On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 at 11:49, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Going by the keys, can it be *Saussurea gnaphalodes* (Royle) Sch.Bip. >>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/saussurea/saussurea-gnaphalodes> >>> ? >>> >>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 at 11:48, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Three species given in bold below (from keys in Flora of China) are >>>> quite confusing. Pl. check (all can be seen at Saussurea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/28/saussurea/>): >>>> 18 (12) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-12> >>>> *Pappus >>>> dull dark brown, mouse-gray, or blackish* (19) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-19> >>>> + *Pappus white, dirty white, straw-colored, light brown, or brown* >>>> (21) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-21> >>>> >>>> 19 (18) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-18> >>>> Plants >>>> not caespitose; caudex long, creeping, fragile, branched below ground >>>> level; leaf blade elliptic to narrowly elliptic, pinnately lobed to >>>> pinnately divided, 5-15 mm wide. 16 *S. quercifolia* >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200024444> >>>> + *Plants usually caespitose; caudex short, branched at ground level; >>>> leaf blade obovate, spatulate, or linear-oblong, undivided, 2-8 mm wide* >>>> (20) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-20> >>>> >>>> 20 (19) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-19> >>>> *Rosette >>>> and lower stem leaves green, glabrescent; petioles green,* *elongated;* >>>> *leaf >>>> margin obtusely sinuate-dentate; outer pappus bristles always reflexed and >>>> appressed on achene.* 13 *S. inversa* >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250097346> >>>> + *Rosette and lower stem leaves whitish, densely tomentose; petioles >>>> purple, short; leaf margin entire or shallowly crenate; outer pappus >>>> bristles usually erect.* 14 *S. gnaphalodes* >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200024414> >>>> >>>> 21 (18) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-18> >>>> Plants >>>> shortly stemmed, less than 10 cm tall (22) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-22> >>>> + Plants with a distinct elongate erect flowering stem, usually more >>>> than 10 cm tall (24) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-24> >>>> >>>> 22 (21) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-21> >>>> Leaf >>>> blade very small, less than 1 cm. 15 *S. sugongii* >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250097347> >>>> + *Leaf blade larger, more than 1 cm* *(23)* >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-23> >>>> >>>> 23 (22) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317631#KEY-1-22> >>>> *Upper >>>> stem leaves elliptic, not reflexed, apex obtuse to rounded.* 12 *S. >>>> glacialis* >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250097345> >>>> + Upper stem leaves linear, reflexed, apex acuminate. 19 *S. >>>> gyacaensis* >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242346737> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 at 09:12, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes Alka Ji ! >>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/VjtKOxNET-8 >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 9:10 AM Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello friends >>>>>> >>>>>> This was at the Chang la (the top) next to Chang la baba mandir, >>>>>> Ladakh in August 2022. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saussurea glacialis >>>>>> >>>>>> Requested to please validate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/1a7c966e-fc0b-4a01-ae27-3a0b2389a4b5n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/1a7c966e-fc0b-4a01-ae27-3a0b2389a4b5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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