Dear Mr. Garg, Please have a look at the trailing mails. Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju Forwarded Conversation Subject: Three sets of images ------------------------ From: Eveleigh <[email protected]> Date: Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 8:41 AM To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> Dear Saroj, There seems to be some confusion between P. filipes, P. forbesii and P. malacoides. Your images are not P. filipes, which is an efarinose perennial with monomorphic (homostyle) flowers, very broad calyx lobes and is a wild species in Nepal. Though it has been suggested that P. forbesii is a synonym of P. filipes, I disagree. The type sheets for P. forbesii are in Paris. http://coldb.mnhn.fr/CatalogNumber/MNHN/p/P04567379 http://coldb.mnhn.fr/CatalogNumber/MNHN/p/P04567380 It is easy enough to compare them with P. filipes type sheet from Bhutan http://specimens.kew.org/herbarium/K000750257 or a better specimen collected earlier by Wallich in Nepal under the name Androsace cordifolia which is synonymous with P. filipes. http://data.nhm.ac.uk/object/5b1520c1-a63e-45d4-8588-6b8eaa606f3c Franchet, who described P. forbesii, commented that P. malacoides, and especially P. forbesii, resembled Androsace cordifolia (P. filipes) but that the calyx and corolla were *very different*. Primula forbesii and P. malacoides are closely related species native to China. They are both heterostylous. Both species have been bred into selected strains and introduced as cultivated plants around the world. Both are biennial and produce copious amounts of seed so that they easily naturalize. I have seen these as potted plants at KATH, Godawari and from images in the wild in Taplejung and Ilam. P. forbesii and P. malacoides are very similar. See type sheets in Paris for P. malacoides which you can compare with those above for P. forbesii. http://coldb.mnhn.fr/CatalogNumber/MNHN/p/P04544267 http://coldb.mnhn.fr/CatalogNumber/MNHN/p/P04544286 http://coldb.mnhn.fr/CatalogNumber/MNHN/p/P04544289 http://coldb.mnhn.fr/CatalogNumber/MNHN/p/P04544290 A key difference between P. forbesii and P. malacoides are that the petioles are equal or longer than the length of the blade and the lowest tier of flowers is more or less in line to the leaves in P. malacoides, whereas in P. forbesii , the petioles are short and the lowest tier of flowers is well above the leaves. See the herbarium sheets. In P. filipes, the petioles are long relative to the blade and there is only a single umbel of flowers barely held above the leaves. It is probably incorrect to give these plants a species name as they are cultivated and introduced. If I had to make a choice, I would say P. forbesii for the relatively shorter petioles and the flowers held well above the leaves. Best Wishes, Pam *From:* Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2022 12:28 AM *To:* JM Garg <[email protected]>; [email protected] *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> *Subject:* Re: SK272EC226-2016:ID Dear Pam, Does it look like Primula filipes Watt : https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xImW8dMNU_Q/m/eaEJ_rDHAQAJ Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 5:14 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: You may be right Mr. Garg ! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:25 AM JM Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Appears close to images at *Primula filipes* G.Watt <https://efloraofindia.com/2014/06/21/primula-filipes/> (syn. *P.forbesii*) ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Saroj Kumar Kasaju <[email protected]> Date: Monday, December 26, 2016 at 6:54:17 PM UTC+5:30 Subject: SK272EC226-2016:ID To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, JM Garg < [email protected]> Dear Members, Location: Nagarkot , Nepal Altitude: 6400 ft. Date: 2 March 2014 Thank you. Saroj Kasaju [image: Image removed by sender.] <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free.www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> ---------- From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> Date: Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:44 AM To: Eveleigh <[email protected]> Thank you Pam for making all these clear. Godawari Garden seems garden escape / Cultivated : https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/lIXCNocRI5U/m/xny9EvT-AgAJ Sukhiapokhari, Darjeeling is a wild sp. : https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/rPExSO4pTCE/m/wQNPJ4MkBwAJ Nagarkot sp. is wild : https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xImW8dMNU_Q/m/eaEJ_rDHAQAJ So, I should take all these 3 as P. forbesii ?? Thank you. Saroj Kasaju ---------- From: eveleigh <[email protected]> Date: Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:58 AM To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> Yes, they could all be called P. forbesii though I have seen plants in garden nurseries similar to the more robust one (Includes the white one) as P. malacoides. Confusing! Take your pick 🙂 Best wishes Pam Sent from my Galaxy ---------- From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> Date: Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 10:53 AM To: eveleigh <[email protected]> Thank you Pam ! Thank you. 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