Here are the differences as per detailed descriptions from Flora of China:
*Lobelia doniana <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022970>* Skottsberg <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022970> (syn. of *Lobelia nicotianifolia* Roth as per POWO <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:60470510-2>) Herbs, perennial, 0.3-2.4 m tall. Stems erect, up to 1.5 cm in diam., branched above, glabrous or variously shortly pubescent above. Cauline leaves alternate, at least lower ones petiolate; petiole cuneate-winged, up to 3 cm; blade elliptic to linear-elliptic, 6-33 × 1-6 cm, abaxially sparsely hispidulous, adaxially glabrous or sparsely minutely pubescent, base cuneate, margin serrulate, apex acuminate. *Racemes* terminal, paniculate;* lower bracts leaflike, gradually smaller up stems; pedicels 3-15 mm,* usually bibracteolate, *densely hispidulous. * Hypanthium campanulate, oblong, or obconic, scaberulose; *calyx lobes linear or linear-triangular, *7-22 mm, with (1-)4-7 teeth on each side. *Corolla* bilabiate, purple, purple-red, rose-purple, or blue-purple, 20-31 mm, *outside scaberulose* below, inside villous; upper 2 lobes linear, slightly longer than lower 3. Filaments connate above base, filament tube glabrous or sparsely shortly pubescent; anther tube glabrous or white hirsute only at base; lower 2 anthers barbate at top. Capsule oblong or ellipsoid, 8-16 × 4-9 mm. Seeds ellipsoid, finely striate. Fl. and fr. Sep-Nov. Grassy slopes, forest margins, glades; (800-)1400-3200 m. Xizang (Nyalam), Yunnan [Bhutan, N India, N Myanmar, Nepal]. *Lobelia pyramidalis* Wallich <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022980> Herbs, shrubby, 0.4-3 m tall. Stems glabrous. Leaves alternate, subleathery, sessile or shortly petiolate; basal leaves spatulate; lower ones oblong, up to 25 cm; middle and upper ones narrowly elliptic or narrowly oblong, 12-31 × 1-4 cm, both surfaces glabrous, base attenuate, margin serrulate, apex acuminate. *Racemes *terminal, paniculate; *flowers dense, oriented toward one side. Pedicels 0.6-2.4 cm, arched, *bibracteolate or sometimes ebracteolate; *bracts linear, often shorter than flowers, *entire*. * Hypanthium campanulate or broadly ellipsoid (rarely obconic), length slightly greater than width, 2-4 × 2-4 mm, glabrous; *calyx lobes *subulate or linear-triangular, 8-16 × 1-1.8 mm,* margin entire.* *Corolla *white, rose, or bluish, 1.1-2.1 cm,* outside glabrous,* inside tube densely villous, nearly 2-lipped; lobes of upper lip linear, ca. 2/3 as long as total length of corolla; those of lower lip elliptic or lanceolate, ca. 1/3 as long as total length of corolla. Stamens connate into tube above base; filament tube glabrous; anther tube ca. 5 mm, densely villous along sutures, lower 2 anthers barbate at top. Capsule subglobose, oblate, or broadly ovoid, 3.5-6.5 mm in diam., glabrous, often pendulous. Seeds elliptic, obviously compressed, margin pale in color. Fl. Jan-May. Grassy slopes, scrub, roadsides; 1200-2500 m. W Guangxi, SW Guizhou, Xizang (?Lhasa), Yunnan [Bhutan, N India, N Myanmar, Nepal, N Thailand]. On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 at 16:41, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Pl. check keys in Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=118775> and > FOC illustration one > <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=119938&flora_id=2> > (*Lobelia > seguinii* H. Léveillé & Vaniot) and two > <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=119794&flora_id=2> > (*Lobelia > pyramidalis* Wallich). > Pl. also pursue detailed > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022980> > descriptions > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022970>. > I feel it (original post) may be of *Lobelia pyramidalis* Wallich due to > 'Racemes > terminal, paniculate; flowers dense, *oriented toward one side*' > > > On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 14:46, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > >> How do we differentiate between *Lobelia pyramidalis* Wall. , pink >> flowers, ( >> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwii8bn39b77AhW-0HMBHZh8B58QFnoECAwQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FPyramid%2520Lobelia.html&usg=AOvVaw3UEmJlX6zsyZFRfRqgeTgW) >> and *Lobelia nicotianifolia *Roth, white flowers, ( >> https://www.google.com/urlsa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwibouqh9r77AhWxSHwKHciHARwQFnoECBEQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FWild%2520Tobacco.html&usg=AOvVaw0s-2dUcpFG5I1nLUPlBRXW >> ) ??? >> >> Do you think there are two sp. (pink and white flowers) in this link ? >> >> Thank you Mr. Garg ! >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:11 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>> >>> On Mon 9 Apr, 2018, 8:47 PM Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I guess same ID ! >>>> >>>> Location: Nagarkot, Nepal >>>> Date: 2 April 2018 >>>> Altitude: 6800 ft. >>>> Habit: Wild >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:34 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>> *Lobelia** seguinii* var.* doniana* (Skottsb.) E.Wimm. is a syn. of >>>>> *Lobelia >>>>> nicotianifolia *Roth in J.J.Roemer & J.A.Schultes >>>>> <http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do;jsessionid=79AB042D14761EA0BF8BBF3976244CBB?name_id=353650> >>>>> as >>>>> per WCSP <http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=358880> >>>>> >>>>> On 29 September 2016 at 19:28, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess it matches more with Lobelia seguinii var. doniana rather >>>>>> than Lobelia nicotianaefolia as per leaves flower etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the pictures added here matches with Lobelia >>>>>> nicotianaefolia shot at Nagarkot Nepal on 2 March, 2014 at 6000 ft. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7163%2F6419820741_1ab5173b25_b.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpicssr.com%2Fphotos%2F43793124%40N05%2Ffavorites%2Fpage8&docid=Gzvjy6pL_2Os2M&tbnid=XpTQY6nHKY4PvM%3A&w=1024&h=683&bih=425&biw=911&ved=0ahUKEwjpq8mT17TPAhXDPo8KHfXxBsYQMwgcKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 4:43 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>>>> *Lobelia** seguinii* var.* doniana* (Skottsb.) E.Wimm. is a syn. of >>>>>>> *Lobelia >>>>>>> nicotianifolia *Roth in J.J.Roemer & J.A.Schultes >>>>>>> <http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do;jsessionid=79AB042D14761EA0BF8BBF3976244CBB?name_id=353650> >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> per WCSP. >>>>>>> *Lobelia seguinii *H.Lév. & Vaniot is a different accepted species >>>>>>> as per WCSP <http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=352917>. >>>>>>> I think your plant appears to be *Lobelia nicotianifolia* >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/c/campanulaceae/lobelia/lobelia-nicotianifolia>, >>>>>>> which is a highly variable species as per images herein. >>>>>>> You can also see the comparative images in efi at Lobelia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/c/campanulaceae/lobelia> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: 25 September 2016 at 21:42 >>>>>>> Subject: Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ?? >>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sharing some pictures I guess is Lobelia seguinii var. doniana >>>>>>> (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ( or just *Lobelia seguinii* H. 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