Sounds good, Dinesh ji! I support your choice of name.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 11:51 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks very very much, Vijayasankar ji, for this better version of paavai > (bitter gourd) related name. > We will go with பாவைக்கீரை paavai-keerai (bitter greens) and drop the > பாவைக்காய் பூண்டு paavaikkai poondu. > Will incorporate the name in the compilation shortly. > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: Tamil names of Molluga pentaphylla L. syn. of Trigastrotheca > pentaphylla (L.) Thulin > To: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > > > Yes Dinesh ji, that name has both fruit and greens together. Instead, the > name "paavai-keerai" பாவைக்கீரை can be used to refer to "bitter greens" > with a comparison to bitter gourd plant, i.e. paavai. > > "Bitter greens" can also be translated as kasappu keerai கசப்புக்கீரை, > without specific reference to bittergourd. > > On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 11:22 PM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ah, sorry, Vijayasankar ji. >> பாவைக்காய் கீரை paavaikkai keerai is mix of fruit and greens. >> Please ignore my query. >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:50 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks again, Vijayasasankar ji. >>> Thus, would "பாவைக்காய் கீரை paavaikkai keerai" serve as a good name ? >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 11:36 PM Vijayasankar Raman < >>> vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In Tamil, 'kai' or 'kaai' refers to fruit-vegetables or unripe fruits >>>> while 'keerai' is used for greens. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 11:49 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks very very much, Vijayasankar ji, for this validation. >>>>> I always thought "kai" or "kayi" in most of the south Indian languages >>>>> referred to "bhaji" in Marathi and Konkani ... typically any part(s) of a >>>>> plant that serves as a vegetable - including "greens" not just the fruit >>>>> alone. With your clarification, we will compile "பாவைக்காய் பூண்டு >>>>> paavaikkai poondu" as the name. >>>>> >>>>> Other validated name: சீரகப் பூண்டு cirakap-poondu >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 9:00 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Tamil names of Molluga pentaphylla L. syn. of >>>>> Trigastrotheca pentaphylla (L.) Thulin >>>>> To: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Dinesh ji, >>>>> >>>>> It makes sense. Only thing that doesn't match is the term 'kai' in >>>>> 'paavaikkai' that refers to the (unripe) 'fruit' part of the vegetable. >>>>> Whereas in Mollugo the fruit is not the prominent edible part but the >>>>> leaves or the entire plant. >>>>> But, if you name it 'paavaikkai poondu', for example, then it would >>>>> mean 'the weed (herb) that tastes like bitter melon'. This is just a >>>>> suggestion. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Vijayasankar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 12:58 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar ji, >>>>>> Many thanks for சீரகப் பூண்டு cirakap-pundu >>>>>> >>>>>> About paavaikkai பாவைக்காய் and its relation to bitter gourd. >>>>>> In Konkani, this plant is known as कडवी भाजी kadvi bhaji ... कडवी >>>>>> kadvi = bitter; भाजी bhaji = greens >>>>>> Leaves are cooked and eaten as a pot herb; a bitter flavour ... Tropical >>>>>> Plants Database >>>>>> <https://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Mollugo+pentaphylla>, >>>>>> Ken Fern. tropical.theferns.info. 2023-09-28. >>>>>> I hope the above two facts are a good justification for the name >>>>>> paavaikkai பாவைக்காய். >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 2:59 AM Vijayasankar Raman < >>>>>> vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Dinesh ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The 2nd name சீரகப் பூண்டு (cirakap-pun*d*u or seeraga poondu) is >>>>>>> more appropriate for this plant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The name paavaikkai பாவைக்காய் generally refers to bitter gourd >>>>>>> (*Momordica >>>>>>> charantia*) and I am not sure how it's connected to *Mollugo*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vijayasankar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 5:11 AM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I need help with two Tamil names for *Molluga pentaphylla* L. ... >>>>>>>> synonym of *Trigastrotheca pentaphylla* (L.) Thulin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> paavaikkai ... My attempt is பாவைக்கை... Please validate. >>>>>>>> Reference: OSADHI - Online Structural and Analytics based Database >>>>>>>> for Herbs of India >>>>>>>> <https://www.neist.res.in/osadhi/detail.php?name=Mollugo+pentaphylla> >>>>>>>> - CSIR-NEIST >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> சீரகப் பூண்டு ... I have transcribed the name to cirakap-puntu ... >>>>>>>> Please validate. >>>>>>>> Reference: Tamil names of Botanical names >>>>>>>> <https://books.google.com/books?id=EIE5EAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false> >>>>>>>> by Yercaud Ilango - a Google Book >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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