Thanks, Karuna ji. As per Flora of China <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10199>: 2 (1) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10199#KEY-1-1> Androgynophore 5-10 mm; gynophore 2-6 cm; nodal spines absent. 2 *Cleoserrata* <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317305> + Androgynophore absent; gynophore 4.5-8 cm; nodal spines present (prickles often present on petiole and major leaf veins). 3 *Tarenaya* <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=132319>
Due to genus keys at Flora of China, insertion of stamen becomes very important. Stamens are inserted together in a club like stub above the bottom in Tarenaya hassleriana <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> , while these are inserted in the bottom in Cleoserrata speciosa <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> . - *I think in view of the keys my this interpretation is wrong.* It should be Stamens are inserted together in a club like stub above the bottom in Cleoserrata speciosa <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> , while these are inserted in the bottom in Tarenaya hassleriana <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> . - *I think in view of the keys this should be the correct interpretation.* Am I right now? If so, I have to interchange all the images at both the pages. On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 11:11, 'kd_...@rediffmail.com' via eFloraofIndia < indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Dear Garg Sir > > According to Neto* et al.** (2017)* *Cleome speciosa *Raf.* (=Cleoserrata > speciosa*)is devoid of stipule i.e. no stipular spine(nodal spine) and > possess androgynophore (file attached). But my specimen i.e. *Cleome > houtteana(=Tarenaya hassleriana*) has stipular spine and devoid of > androphore, only gynophore present. Please clarify. Moreover, Choudhury > (2005) and Barooah and Ahmed (2014) mentioned five species of the genus > *Cleome* -* C. angustifolia, C. burmanii, C. gynandra, C. rutidosperma* > and *C. viscosa *from Assam*. *Recently there is a report of distribution > of an additional species of* Cleome i.e. Cleome houtteana *from Assam by > Das* et al.* (2022)[file attached). So please validate my specimen. > > Karuna Kanta Das > > Guwahati > > On Wednesday 24 April 2024 at 16:10:48 UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Due to genus keys at Flora of China >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10199>, >> insertion of stamen becomes very important. Stamens are inserted >> together in a club like stub above the bottom in Tarenaya hassleriana >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> >> , while these are inserted in the bottom in Cleoserrata speciosa >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> >> . >> So it is C.speciosa. >> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 11:33, 'kd_...@rediffmail.com' via eFloraofIndia < >> indian...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Garg Sir >>> >>> I do not agree with you Sir. After observation of my new specimen >>> collected on 22.04.24 ( uploaded) from the same place from where I >>> collected my earlier uploaded specimen . Observation of my newly uploaded >>> specimen shows some diagnostic characters i.e. 1. presence of nodal >>> spines[Image 4,5] (absent in *Cleoserrata* >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=317305>) >>> i.e. one pair of stipular spine at the base of each petiole of the leaf >>> and also a few spines are also found in the petiole.2. Leaflet 7 [image >>> 2,3](5-9 in *Cleoserrata)* 3. Androgynophore absent[Image 6](present >>> in *Cleoserrata)*. 4. stamen 04, purple[Image 6]; only gynophore >>> present[Image 6]. From this observation it is concluded that my specimen >>> uploaded today and earlier are *Cleome houtteana* Schltdl.(=*Tarenaya >>> hassleriana*) not *Cleoserrata speciosa* . So please validate. >>> >>> With regard >>> >>> Karuna Kanta Das >>> >>> On Thursday 18 April 2024 at 11:30:46 UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> No it is >>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/16/cleome-speciosa/ only. >>>> As per efi thread >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/6gqrmwdWyHE> : >>>> >>>> Stamen colour purple in *Tarenaya hassleriana* >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> >>>> & green in *Cleoserrata speciosa* >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> >>>> Stamens are inserted together in a club-like stub above the bottom in >>>> *Tarenaya >>>> hassleriana* >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/tarenaya/cleome-hassleriana> >>>> , while these are inserted in the bottom in *Cleoserrata speciosa* >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/cl/cleomaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa> >>>> . >>>> >>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 at 13:32, 'kd_...@rediffmail.com' via >>>> eFloraofIndia <indian...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think this species is not *Cleoserrata speciosa** . *It is *Cleome >>>>> houtteana *Schltdl (=*Cleome hassleriana* Chodat) . Presence of one >>>>> pair of stipular spine at the base of each petiole of the leaf and spines >>>>> in the midrib of abaxial surface of leaflets is prominent ; flower pink to >>>>> whitish in colour (after examination of the species). In Assamese it is >>>>> known as Siyalkatahiya. So please validate. >>>>> With regard >>>>> Karuna Kanta Das >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday 2 February 2013 at 11:48:09 UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A reply: >>>>>> "I agree with Vijaysankar ji.It seems to be Cleome speciosa." from >>>>>> Bimal ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 February 2013 13:25, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Both of this and the white-flowered form look like *Cleome speciosa* >>>>>>> (now* Cleoserrata* *speciosa*) to me. Please check. >>>>>>> Very nice pictures! >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Efi site link for this species i.e. *Cleome speciosa* : >>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/c/capparaceae/cleoserrata/cleome-speciosa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Karuna Das <kd_...@rediffmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: 24 January 2013 20:42 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:144656] Cleome gynandra L. from Kamrup >>>>>>> district, Assam >>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Cc: kd_dkc <kd_...@rediffmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>> Attached images are *Cleome gynandra* *L.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date : 24.01.2013 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Location: Kamrup district, Assam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Family : *Cleomaceae* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Genus & species : *Cleome gynandra* *L.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Habitat: Grows wild on roadside near ditches >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Habit : Erect, undershrub. 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