Thanks, Tabish ji, for the much deeper analysis. On Sat, 21 Sept 2024 at 20:56, Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since we do not have an image of the fruits in this observation, we have > to sort it out on the basis of other features. Finally I got time to have a > closer look at Dinesh's Solena images, and go through the paper of Wilde & > Duyfjes. My summary is as follows: > S. amplexicaulis S. > umbellata > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Male peduncle: 1-2 cm 0-7 mm > Male bracts: absent or 1-2 mm, 1-2 mm long, > falling > off persistent > Flower size: 3-4 mm 3-5 mm > Flower-stalk: 2-5 mm 2-8 mm > > ----------------------------------------------------- > 1. Flower-clusters of Dinesh's plant are clearly stalkless. In S. > amplexicaulis they are 1-2 cm - much longer than the flower length of 3-4 > mm. > 2. In S. amplexicaulis the bracts are absent or fall off. Dinesh's plant > does show bracts. > 3. My earlier comment regarding flowers being mostly hairless in S. > amplexicaulis is irrelevant because in these flowers the sepal-cup covers > most of the flower, with only the tiny petals peeping out at the tip. > By virtue of stalkless flower-clusters and persistent bracts, I think > Dinesh's plant should be Solena umbellata. Garg ji already thought it was > likely to be S. umbellata. > Tabish > ------------------------------------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 10:23 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I just saw the fruit image of Kasim ji added on the page ( >> https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Cucumber.html), >> while Dinesh ji's images remain the same (which is most likely to be >> S.umbellata). So it is better if, even the images of leaves and immature >> fruits are put on the FOI page, deleting Dinesh ji's images. >> >> On Sun, 15 Sept 2024 at 10:37, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I still see the same images. >>> I don't agree with the id. Pl. see >>> https://efloraofindia.com/2016/02/17/solena-amplexicaulis/ (only one >>> observation so far in our site- see the typical fruit). (Distribution is >>> restricted to Tamilnadu, Karnataka and Kerala only). >>> We should keep these images as >>> https://efloraofindia.com/2016/07/26/solena-umbellata/ only. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 14 Sept 2024 at 21:08, Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Dinesh and Garg ji, >>>> I updated the fruit image on FOI: >>>> >>>> https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Cucumber.html >>>> PS: You may still see the old image from your browser cache unless it >>>> is refreshed. >>>> Tabish >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 5:06 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "The first two photos showing flowers belong to observation dtd. July >>>>> 11, 2010, ...will revise the ID to S. amplexicaulis."- *Difficult to >>>>> say without fruits. *Only one observation so far in efi as per >>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2016/02/17/solena-amplexicaulis/ (Also it >>>>> is found in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerala as per >>>>> https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/1454/) >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 14 Sept 2024 at 16:57, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Garg ji for attaching the publication; thanks Tabish for >>>>>> resurfacing the old post. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first two photos showing flowers belong to observation dtd. July >>>>>> 11, 2010 <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/81422504>, >>>>>> ...will revise the ID to *S. amplexicaulis*. >>>>>> >>>>>> ... while the one showing the ridged fruit belongs to another,observation >>>>>> of July 14, 2012 <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/82402619> >>>>>> which by now has been validated as *Solena heterophylla* by Prof. >>>>>> Dr. Hanno Schaefer and Radha Veach. Going through the publication >>>>>> attached >>>>>> by Garg ji does tell me that it ought to be *Solena umbellata*. >>>>>> >>>>>> As of now, I do have one validated observation of *Solena umbellata* >>>>>> <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/220455107>. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 3:48 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Going by the fruit shape it should be >>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2016/07/26/solena-umbellata/ >>>>>>> Fruit shape is different in >>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2016/02/17/solena-amplexicaulis/ >>>>>>> Pl. see attached publication for fruit shapes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Sept 2024 at 11:57, Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>>> Coming back to this old thread, I had made the correction back >>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>> However, just wanted to point out that the abstract of the paper >>>>>>>> you pointed out, says: >>>>>>>> "The genus Solena Lour. is redefined, and its 3 species and 1 >>>>>>>> subspecies are keyed out and described: >>>>>>>> S. amplexicaulis occurs in S India, S. heterophylla, with 2 >>>>>>>> subspecies is widespread, but does not >>>>>>>> occur in S India ..." >>>>>>>> Based on this, Dinesh's images from Maharashtra >>>>>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/4789737927>, which are >>>>>>>> also on FOI >>>>>>>> <https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Cucumber.html>, >>>>>>>> should belong to *Solena amplexicaulis*. >>>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <Unknown> >>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 5:19:38 PM UTC+5:30 >>>>>>>> Subject: Images of Solena amplexicaulis in FOI should be of Solena >>>>>>>> heterophylla Lour. >>>>>>>> To: Flowers of India <Unknown> >>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <Unknown>, Dinesh Valke <Unknown>, Thingnam >>>>>>>> Girija <Unknown>, Tabish Qureshi <Unknown> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>>>>> Images of Solena amplexicaulis in FOI >>>>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Cucumber.html> >>>>>>>> should be of Solena heterophylla Lour. >>>>>>>> as per *Solena heterophylla* Lour. >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cucurbitaceae/solena/solena-heterophylla-1> >>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>> as per comparative images at Solena >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/cucurbitaceae/solena> >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> efi based on the following: >>>>>>>> REVIEW OF THE GENUS SOLENA (CUCURBITACEAE) >>>>>>>> <http://repository.naturalis.nl/document/566363>- W.J.J.O. DE >>>>>>>> WILDE & B.E.E. DUYFJES- BLUMEA 49: 69–81 (2004) >>>>>>>> The Cucurbitaceae of India >>>>>>>> <http://www.umsl.edu/~renners/Renner_Pandey_Indian_cucs_2013.pdf>: >>>>>>>> Accepted names, synonyms, geographic distribution, and information on >>>>>>>> images and DNA sequences by Susanne S. Renner, Arun K. Pandey. 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