ok cool ! -- wonderful to know that there are things out there that are genuinely not a big deal -- -- :) :)
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is true that we cant interpret science with our theories. They > are just hypothesis and assumptions. The number of leaflets in > compound leaves vary a lot but that too depend on the species. In some > plants the numbers are always fixed, like Butea (3), Marsilea (4), > Regnellidium (2); but in some like members of Araliaceae, Alstonia, > Bombax etc. > Its not a big deal. Personally I feel, it may be due to availability > of nutrient during that particular times. > Its just like having twin or quadruplet or triplet baby. You can never > predict it in advance!!! > Pankaj > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Anandi Sharan <sharan.ana...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> i started trying to figure out the logic in the number of leaves on >> each compound leaf. 6 on some twigs, repeated, if there are 7 then >> this is also repeated on the next level, others have 9. then i googled >> and found alstonia scholaris used in a scientific paper to model a >> virtual tree. after applying the procedure the author says "the >> difference between the model constructed from our system and the >> target plant remains. this is because of the complexity in nature >> which [sic] the random could not easily interpreted and calculated by >> humans." (p.6). i still have not found anything about the maths >> underlying the number of leaves on compound leaves as the tree grows. >> so i offer this link as a small contribution to the stories instead. >> my conclusion: it must be this gap between what would be >> mathematically perfect and what is, that makes nature so perfect. :) >> >> http://bioquest.org/products/files/13157_Real-time%203D%20Plant%20Structure%20Modeling%20by%20L-System.pdf >> >> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> I dont know, may be the leaves are insect repellent. >>> There are could be other reasons. >>> There are some funny stories about many such plants. >>> For example, why Julius Ceaser had this Laurel Leaf crown though he >>> was a king!!! >>> People say that he was bald and so some herbal medicine guy told him >>> to wear Laurel Leaf Crown to get back the hairs. >>> When people came to know about this, they started making fun of him. >>> Embarrassed by this, he made a rule that Laurel Leaf crown will be >>> worn only by the royal king and even started giving this as prize to >>> the athletes even in during Olympics. >>> >>> Pankaj >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:22 AM, nabha meghani <nabha-megh...@gmx.de> wrote: >>>> two more questions: >>>> what is so special about this leaf? >>>> the leaf dosen't look so big! >>>> Is there any foto available of this "giving" >>>> Thanks >>>> Nalini >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pankaj Kumar" <sahanipan...@gmail.com> >>>> To: "nabha meghani" <nabha-megh...@gmx.de> >>>> Cc: "tanay bose" <tanaybos...@gmail.com>; "kiran srivastava" >>>> <srivastava...@gmail.com>; <analawa...@gmail.com>; >>>> <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>; <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:38 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:59908] Alstonia scholaris in fruit >>>> >>>> >>>> The compound leaf was used as a plate and the degree which was usually >>>> on the paper or parchment sheet or may be leather, or whatever, is >>>> kept on the plate. >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 2:05 AM, nabha meghani <nabha-megh...@gmx.de> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is the text "written" on the leaves? how is that done? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: tanay bose >>>>> To: Pankaj Kumar >>>>> Cc: kiran srivastava ; analawa...@gmail.com ; >>>>> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >>>>> ; atthar.rash...@gmail.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:54 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:59906] Alstonia scholaris in fruit >>>>> This is still a practice in Viswa Bharati university >>>>> shantiniketan, west bengal India >>>>> Tanay >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Its called SCHOLARIS because, the old times plates of leaves were >>>>>> exclusively used to give away degrees to the students. >>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:37 PM, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > The state tree of Bengal >>>>>> > tanay >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> One of the local names of Alstonia scholaris is CHHATIM or CHATNI >>>>>> >> CHAAL. >>>>>> >> The bark is supposed to be very useful for blood purification >>>>>> >> especially in case of diabetes or Jaundice in Jharkhand as well as in >>>>>> >> Ayurveda. Thats why Mr. Nalwade must have seen bark scrapping. >>>>>> >> Pankaj >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 7:41 PM, kiran srivastava >>>>>> >> <srivastava...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >> > A little trivia: Large branches of the big Alstonia scholaris tree >>>>>> >> > behind >>>>>> >> > the house I temporarily stay in Delhi was cut down ostensibly to >>>>>> >> > allow >>>>>> >> > the >>>>>> >> > sun rays on the flower bed in the small park. Apparently, the local >>>>>> >> > garden >>>>>> >> > community had this tree trimmed by the NDMC authorities. But it >>>>>> >> > wouldn't >>>>>> >> > surprise me if branches of trees are cut to allow the sun in winter >>>>>> >> > to >>>>>> >> > warm >>>>>> >> > up courtyards that are otherwise completely blotted from the the >> >>>>>> >> > > sun. >>>>>> >> > I >>>>>> >> > have >>>>>> >> > seen it happen. Before it was trimmed the flowers were within >>>>>> >> > touching >>>>>> >> > distance from the 2nd floor terrace. >>>>>> >> > There are several trees such as Semul (Bombax malabaricum) and Siris >>>>>> >> > (Albizia lebbek) growing in small, old colony roads whose branches >>>>>> >> > have >>>>>> >> > spread widely blocking sunlight in homes. They could be trimmed >>>>>> >> > especially, >>>>>> >> > if old people want to sit out and soak in the sun during Delhi's >>>>>> >> > winters...and this winter its really cold. >>>>>> >> > Cheers, >>>>>> >> > Kiran Srivastava >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Rashida Atthar >>>>>> >> > <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Ajay ji according to info. in the book 'Trees of Mumbai' pg 51 ..." >>>>>> >> >> In >>>>>> >> >> olden days the wood of this tree was used to make slates for >>>>>> >> >> children, >>>>>> >> >> hence scholaris." The book further adds "The dita bark of the tree >>>>>> >> >> is >>>>>> >> >> used >>>>>> >> >> in Indian medecine for treating asthma and heart ailments, fever >> >>>>>> >> >> >> and >>>>>> >> >> diarrhoea.During the Diwali festival, the bitter bark is consumed >>>>>> >> >> before >>>>>> >> >> eating sweets to neutralize the excessive intake of sugar." >>>>>> >> >> regards, >>>>>> >> >> Rashida. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Ajay Nalawade >>>>>> >> >> <analawa...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> We noted Some Bark scraping in Konkan region. >>>>>> >> >>> Can anybody tell for which purpose this bark is used??? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Arijit Banerjee >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> <ari...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> Alstonia scholaris in fruit, >>>>>> >> >>>> Patuli, Kolkata, India >>>>>> >> >>>> 8 January 2011 >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> The fruits do look quite similar to those of Wrightia tinctoria >>>>>> >> >>>> (Khirni) >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> Arijit Banerjee >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> *********************************************** >>>>>> >> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>>>> >> Research Associate >>>>>> >> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >>>>>> >> Department of Habitat Ecology >>>>>> >> Wildlife Institute of India >>>>>> >> Post Box # 18 >>>>>> >> Dehradun - 248001, India >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Tanay Bose >>>>>> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>>>> > Department of Botany. >>>>>> > University of British Columbia . >>>>>> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>>>> > Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >>>>>> > Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >>>>>> > 604-822-2019 (Lab) >>>>>> > 604-822-6089 (Fax) >>>>>> > ta...@interchange.ubc.ca >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *********************************************** >>>>>> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>>>> Research Associate >>>>>> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >>>>>> Department of Habitat Ecology >>>>>> Wildlife Institute of India >>>>>> Post Box # 18 >>>>>> Dehradun - 248001, India >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tanay Bose >>>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>>> Department of Botany. >>>>> University of British Columbia . >>>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >>>>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >>>>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) >>>>> 604-822-6089 (Fax) >>>>> ta...@interchange.ubc.ca >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *********************************************** >>>> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>> Research Associate >>>> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >>>> Department of Habitat Ecology >>>> Wildlife Institute of India >>>> Post Box # 18 >>>> Dehradun - 248001, India >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *********************************************** >>> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >>> >>> >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>> Research Associate >>> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >>> Department of Habitat Ecology >>> Wildlife Institute of India >>> Post Box # 18 >>> Dehradun - 248001, India >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ---- >> > > > > -- > *********************************************** > "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Research Associate > Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > Department of Habitat Ecology > Wildlife Institute of India > Post Box # 18 > Dehradun - 248001, India > -- ----
