Manudev ji If the list is reliable then perhaps we will have to find out the differences between Mahonia and Berberis. The traditional difference is simple leavesin Berberis, pinnate in Mahonia.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:32 PM, manudev madhavan <manudevkmadha...@gmail.com > wrote: > Gurucharan ji, > > In the checklist both genus Mahonia & Berberis do exist. > Here it is another link... > http://www.biotik.org/india/species/m/maholesc/maholesc_en.html > <http://www.biotik.org/india/species/m/maholesc/maholesc_en.html>please > check... > > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Manudev ji >> If M. bealei is a synonym of B. bealei, then all other species are also. >> Please See GRIN or other recent databases. >> We should use KEW Checklist with lot of caution. Perhaps the list has >> been published in hurry. There are so many contradictions. So many species >> are unresolved. >> What we need for final confirmation is to find differences between >> Mahonia (or Berberis) bealei and M. (B.) napaulensis (syn. M (B) >> leschenaultii). >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:59 PM, manudev madhavan < >> manudevkmadha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Gurucharan ji, >>> Thanks for the information..!! >>> However, M. bealei is a synonym of Berberis bealei according to the >>> recent cheklists, which have dark blue berries.. >>> Am not much sure whether the fruits seen in the pictures will turn dark >>> blue..] >>> But it doesn't appears to be so.. Gamble has reported *M*.*leschenaultii >>> from *Kodaikkanal, which is conspecific to *Mahonia* *napaulensis* DC >>> according to the recent plant checklist published by Missouri Botanical >>> garden. I haven't seen much plants to make a generalization on the habit >>> feature of the plant, whether it is a tree or a shrub..? >>> I think muthuji can dig out the differences between these species, who >>> has a close access to one of the plants. >>> I am attaching some links below >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=233500224 >>> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/467817#page/70/mode/1up >>> >>> regards... >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Muthu ji >>>> All species of Mahonia are technically shrubs with more than one stems >>>> from ground level, and no main trunk. However, it is not uncommon to see >>>> smaller stems cut away or die to give the plant appearance of a tree (I >>>> have >>>> seen this in several gardens). FBI reports than B. nepalensis (now >>>> correctly >>>> napaulensis) to reach a height of up to 20 ft. >>>> I don't think there is any species of Mahonia (some again merge >>>> it with Berberis) with even pinnate leaves. All are to my knowledge >>>> odd-pinnate with terminal leaflet. >>>> The toss is between M. napaulensis and M. bealei. Even FBI >>>> mentions that probably they are not different. It is, however, understood >>>> that recent treatments recognise them independent. I would go with M. >>>> bealei, because M. napaulensis is a plant of Himalyan region. It would be >>>> useful, if any friend is able to dish out the differences between the two >>>> species. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> As far as I know, the fruit color turns blue or dark when it ripens. >>>>> This is peculiar to Berberidaceae I assume. These fruits may not be ripe >>>>> enough. But cant be sure. >>>>> Pankaj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Manudevji, >>>>>> *Mahonia leschenaultii* is a big-shrub and not a tree. >>>>>> Description shows that *M.leschenaultii* have dark blue fruits and >>>>>> even-pinnate leaves; a contradictory to the posted tree habit plant. >>>>>> Please >>>>>> verify again. >>>>>> Reference: Excursion Flora of TN by K M Matthew >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:10 PM, manudev madhavan < >>>>>> manudevkmadha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Am not very sure..!! >>>>>>> This could be some species of *Mahonia* >>>>>>> May be *Mahonia* *napaulensis* DC. (*Mahonia* *leschenaultii* (Wall. >>>>>>> ex Wight & Arn.) Takeda ex >>>>>>> Dunn<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-3500447> >>>>>>> ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>> sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This looks like Berberis or some other Berberidaceae to me. >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Muthu Karthick >>>>>>>> <nmk....@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> Please help to id the tree found planted at a private garden in >>>>>>>>> Ooty, Nilgiris. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Date/Time-* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 24-01-2011 / 11:00 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Location- Place, Altitude, GP* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ca.2200asl; Ooty, TN >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> garden >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Plant Habit-* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> tree >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Height/Length-* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4 m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> c. 1 feet; spiny margin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence Type/ Size-* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Raceme; 15-20 cm long >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yellow; 0.6cm across >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- * >>>>>>>>> globose; 1cm across >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * >>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Muthu Karthick, N >>>>>>>>> Care Earth Trust >>>>>>>>> #15, second main road, >>>>>>>>> Thillai ganga nagar, >>>>>>>>> Chennai - 600 061 >>>>>>>>> Mob: 09626833911 >>>>>>>>> www.careearthtrust.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *********************************************** >>>>>>>> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>>>>>> Research Associate >>>>>>>> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >>>>>>>> Department of Habitat Ecology >>>>>>>> Wildlife Institute of India >>>>>>>> Post Box # 18 >>>>>>>> Dehradun - 248001, India >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Manudev K Madhavan* >>>>>>> Systematic & Floristic Lab, >>>>>>> Department of Botany, >>>>>>> Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research >>>>>>> St. Joseph's College, Devagiri >>>>>>> Kozhikode- 673 008 >>>>>>> Mob: 9496470738 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Muthu Karthick, N >>>>>> Care Earth Trust >>>>>> #15, second main road, >>>>>> Thillai ganga nagar, >>>>>> Chennai - 600 061 >>>>>> Mob: 09626833911 >>>>>> www.careearthtrust.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *********************************************** >>>>> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>>> Research Associate >>>>> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >>>>> Department of Habitat Ecology >>>>> Wildlife Institute of India >>>>> Post Box # 18 >>>>> Dehradun - 248001, India >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Manudev K Madhavan* >>> Systematic & Floristic Lab, >>> Department of Botany, >>> Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research >>> St. Joseph's College, Devagiri >>> Kozhikode- 673 008 >>> Mob: 9496470738 >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Manudev K Madhavan* > Systematic & Floristic Lab, > Department of Botany, > Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research > St. Joseph's College, Devagiri > Kozhikode- 673 008 > Mob: 9496470738 > >
