Sir Confusing situation
Is this a new species of Preannthes means Cicerbita
It does not match well with both herbarium Specimen


On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Balkar ji
> The only thing worrying me is that P. brunoniana is generally a taller
> plant and there are numerous heads forming a panicle. Here we have few heads
> like in P. violaefolia. Please compare with image appended by you. The
> leaves, however, do not match P. violaefolia. I am uploading my herbarium
> sheets of two for comparison.
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> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Balkar Arya <balkara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear All
>> after alot of search i could find the following information
>> *Prenanthes* *brunoniana* Wall. ex DC. is an 
>> unresolved<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#unresolved> name
>> as per theplantlist.org
>>
>> FOI considers  Cicerbita brunoniana, Lactuca brunoniana, Prenanthes
>> hispidula as *Synonyms*
>> *
>> *
>> * *The plant list consider *Lactuca* *brunoniana* Wall. ex C.B.Clarke is
>> an unresolved <http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#unresolved> name
>>
>> The only accepted Name is *Cicerbita* *brunoniana* (Wall. ex C.B.Clarke)
>> Rech.f. is an accepted <http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#accepted> name
>> Flora Simlensis and Flora of Muscsoorie describe only two species as per
>> following Key
>>
>> 1. leaves ovate or triangular, not variable, heads few, solitary or
>> subsolitary, on long stalks: P. violaefolia
>> 2. leaves variable, heads many in terminal panicles: P brunoniana
>> Description
>> From Flora of Mussoorie
>> description of P brononiana: herb, .3-2 mt, often diffuse, leaves very
>> variable, , alternate long petiolate, lanceolate or triangular, base cordate
>> or truncate, toothed or sinuate, often 3 lobed or pinnatifid with variously
>> cut and toothed lobes, heads ligulate, many in terminal panicles, , flowers
>> 3-5 in a head, purple or white, achenes not beaked, papus of hairs. flowers
>> oct-Nov, Dist west Himalaya 1800-2700 mts
>>
>> from flora simlensis
>> Stems 1-6 ft heads numerous, paniclred leaves of various shape: P
>> brunoniana
>> stems 12-18 in heads few solitary long stalked leaves always triangular: P
>> violaefolia
>> Smooth or rough, sometimes glandular, especiallyon the inflorescence and
>> nerves of the leaves, Stem 1-6ft, simple or branched, Stalks long or short,
>> slender, naked or winged, their bases sometimes dilated or lobed:, blade 4-8
>> in or more, lanceolate or triangular, cordate or truncate, toothed or
>> sinuate, often pinnatifid, with large or small, variously cut and toothed
>> lobes. Heads 1/2-3/4 in long in a termin al panicle flowers 3-5 in a head,
>> purple or white
>> FF- aug  sept
>> note This sp has the aspect of Lactuca hastata but the heads are 3-5
>> instead of 10-30 flowered and achenes are without a beak
>>
>> as Gunjan ji said it can be B sikkimensis, i could not find much
>> information except a pic which i am attaching here. In bothe above said
>> floras only 2 sp are describerd.
>> As i can understand the highly variable nature of P brunoniana or rightly
>> said Cicerbita brunoniana may be in Unresolved list
>> From the above description our plant may be C brunoniana including the
>> plant of Garg Ji in following thread
>>  [efloraofindia:55286] Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb73 for Id- JM
>> And also the plant of Alok Ji
>>   [efloraofindia:83787] Kalatope id al260911a
>> If anybody can conclude from the above discussion pls????
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:25 PM, gunjan sud <sud.gun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Respected Sir,
>>> I have a similar specimen collected from H.P. with me and have studied
>>> it after consulting the herbaria, but I still doubt if this is species
>>> brunoniana. Can we check out for another sp. sikkimensis. Please guide me
>>> too.
>>>
>>> With Regards
>>> Gunjan.
>>>
>>>  Dear All
>>>> Sharing pics of a Asteraceae herb about 1-1.5 feet high, lyrate leaves.
>>>> Dont have another pics to count florets etc
>>>> looks like Prenanthes sp
>>>> Can this be Prenanthes brunonianaOn Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Balkar
>>>> Arya <balkara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  pls help
>>>> Thanks
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>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Dr Balkar Singh
>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat
>>>> Haryana-132103
>>>> 09416262964
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Regards
>>
>> Dr Balkar Singh
>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
>> Arya P G College, Panipat
>> Haryana-132103
>> 09416262964
>>
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Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
Arya P G College, Panipat
Haryana-132103
09416262964

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