Yes Giby ji That is what I had been impressing upon. 4 pairs is the prevalent number, range 3-5 pairs in S. uniflora, and 2 pairs a rarety or abberation. I think you must have gone through the paper enclosed and links of some American works.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Giby Kuriakose <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com>wrote: > Here, in Bangalore also there are bigger and smaller plants both bear 2-4 > paired leaflets. > > > Regards, > Giby > > > > On 27 October 2011 20:52, Satish Phadke <drsmpha...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Agreed Gurcharan ji >> We and Science (I mean Scientific community) require many more people with >> similar mind as yours.Nothing should be taken for granted unless one >> personally checks and satisfied about it. >> I am ready to check the plant further. You have a valid point there. >> I have not gone in details of the paper but will do so. >> Regarding my plant.....I want to stress that There are quite a few plants >> (So called Cassia uniflora ;attaching a picture) with similar looking >> flowers and leaves. Some plants in the group are very small(^inches or so) >> producing flowers and leaves very similar to these but only with two twigs >> having two pairs of leaflets as in earlier posted picture. Can't a plant >> have less number of leaflets? The pods are also seen in some which might be >> helpful. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Yes Giby ji >>> Your plant has clearly four pairs of leaflets. This is what I have been >>> stressing all through. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Giby ji >>>> I think you have gone through the paper for which I have sent the link. >>>> When we are considering the introduced species we should rely more on the >>>> Books pertaining to that area and not local floras. If you have gone >>>> through >>>> the cited paper you will realize that key in the genus is often based on >>>> number of leaflets as one character (besides others). This plant as Satish >>>> ji has mentioned and seen in the photograph has only four leaflets, and >>>> Satish ji has seen some with only two leaflets. How can we believe an >>>> introduced weed which is supposed to have generally 4 pairs of leaflets >>>> (3-5 >>>> pairs) can have only 2-4 leaflets in our area, Please give serious thought >>>> to it. I am attaching the paper in case you did not read it. >>>> >>>> And yes if I am providing you the detailed nomenclature I must be >>>> knowing all its synonyms including C. sericea,, >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>> giby.kuriak...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Gurcharan ji, >>>>> >>>>> *Senna uniflora* (Mill.) H.S.Irwin & Barne has several synonyms as per >>>>> the plant list (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/ild-21536) and >>>>> *Cassia sericea* is one among them. >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *C. sericea *has been mentioned in several flora books such as Flora >>>>> of Coorg (Murthy & Yoganarasimhan, 1990), Flora of Udupi (Bhat, 2003) >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> I too got this plant recently and photographed in detail from >>>>> Bangalore. I shall upload them soon. I have identified my *specimen *by >>>>> running the key as *C. sericea *and while checking the name in the >>>>> plant list I found that this is *S. uniflora* now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Giby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 27 October 2011 14:50, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry Satish ji >>>>>> Some mix up in formatting earlier. here is correct form >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Satish ji >>>>>> Thanks for your conclusion, but I would like you to consider a few >>>>>> things before taking a final decision. >>>>>> I have not seen this plant in nature myself but judging from the >>>>>> available information, I fear it never has 4 leaflets, not to say of 2 >>>>>> leaflets that you write. >>>>>> Senna uniflora is an American weed, and only recently introduced in >>>>>> India (Not reported in FBI), and we can't expect it to undergo drastic >>>>>> changes in India over a short period of time. >>>>>> From all sources of information the species usually has 4 pairs of >>>>>> leaflets (and not 4 leaflets) though the number may varry from 3-5 pairs. >>>>>> Some identifications get fixed in mind and difficult to forget. My >>>>>> colleagues would fight with me when I would tell them spinach they are >>>>>> using >>>>>> in their practicals is not Spinaceae oleracea, rather leafy vegetable a >>>>>> variety of Beta vulgaris. It took me more than 10 years to make them >>>>>> understand when they gave this plant in taxonomy classes. The >>>>>> description of >>>>>> two is poles apart. >>>>>> >>>>>> I request you to kindly go through the attached paper, study the >>>>>> plants and then decide. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208(5)%20525-527.pdf<http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208%285%29%20525-527.pdf> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not saying that this is Senna absus, but just for infrmation S. >>>>>> absus is a species long established in India, has four leaflets and also >>>>>> a >>>>>> gland between the leaflets. >>>>>> >>>>>> Senna unflora has been introduced in in many places in India including >>>>>> Pune, Karanataka and other places, and you and other members may soon >>>>>> find >>>>>> specimens with true S. uniflora characters. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Satish ji >>>>>>> Thanks for your conclusion, but I would like you to consider a few >>>>>>> things before taking a final decision. >>>>>>> I have not seen this plant in nature myself but judging from the >>>>>>> available information, I fear it never has 4 leaflets, not to say of 2 >>>>>>> leaflets that you write. >>>>>>> Senna uniflora is an American weed, and only recently introduced in >>>>>>> India (Not reported in FBI), and we can't expect it to undergo drastic >>>>>>> changes in India over a short period of time. >>>>>>> From all sources of information the species usually has 4 pairs of >>>>>>> leaflets (and not 4 leaflets) though the number may varry from 3-5 >>>>>>> pairs. >>>>>>> Some identifications get fixed in mind and difficult to forget. My >>>>>>> colleagues would fight with me when I would tell them spinach they are >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> in their practicals is not Spinaceae oleracea, rather leafy vegetable a >>>>>>> variety of Beta vulgaris. It took me more than 10 years to make them >>>>>>> understand when they gave this plant in taxonomy classes. The >>>>>>> description of >>>>>>> two is poles apart. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I request you to kindly go through the attached paper, study the >>>>>>> plants and then decide. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208(5)%20525-527.pdf<http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208%285%29%20525-527.pdf> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> I am not saying that this is Senna absus, but just for infrmation S. >>>>>>> absus is a species long established in India, has four leaflets and >>>>>>> also a >>>>>>> gland between the leaflets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Senna unflora has been introduced in in many places in India >>>>>>> including Pune, Karanataka and other places, and you and other members >>>>>>> may >>>>>>> soon find specimens with true S. uniflora characters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Satish Phadke <drsmpha...@gmail.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes I remember Aparna Watve ji had told me about the commonest >>>>>>>> similar looking plant without glands is Cassia tora. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>> giby.kuriak...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes this is *Cassia uniflora** *now known as *Senna* *uniflora* >>>>>>>>> (Mill.) >>>>>>>>> H.S.Irwin & Barneby. >>>>>>>>> If you check the compound leaves carefully, you can see the stalked >>>>>>>>> yellow glands on the rachis in between leaflets (mostly with basal 1-2 >>>>>>>>> pairs). If they (stalked yellow glands) are not there in any of the >>>>>>>>> leaves >>>>>>>>> this can be some other species. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 27 October 2011 12:49, Satish Phadke <drsmpha...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I rechecked about similar plants in the vicinity. >>>>>>>>>> I agree with Rajdeo singh ji >>>>>>>>>> This appears to be a small plant of *Cassia uniflora* only. >>>>>>>>>> Similar small plants were showing two leflets each but the >>>>>>>>>> characters of leaves appear close to *C.uniflora* rather than * >>>>>>>>>> C.absus*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Satish Phadke < >>>>>>>>>> drsmpha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am keeping a watch on the interesting discussion and learning >>>>>>>>>>> through this. >>>>>>>>>>> All comments are welcome. >>>>>>>>>>> There were several plants in the area all about 6 inches or so >>>>>>>>>>> tall They had two pairs of leaflets each.......prompting me about >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> identity of *S.absus* >>>>>>>>>>> If I happen to visit the area again I will try to extract some >>>>>>>>>>> more characters. Would any one like to suggest to check for some >>>>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>>>> character Pl. let me know. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> Dr Phadke >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cassia absus never come in Single flower >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>> singh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends >>>>>>>>>>>>> To me it again appears to be a case where we are discussing the >>>>>>>>>>>>> identity of a plant without considering authority. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It also highlights the fact that many of us give our decisions >>>>>>>>>>>>> without trying to justify our decision or negate others' >>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusion >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me first point out that there is no accepted name such as >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chamaecrista uniflora, nor any accepted species name Cassia >>>>>>>>>>>>> uniflora >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now coming back to Cassia uniflora, there are two taxa by that >>>>>>>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Cassia uniflora Mill., characterised by 5-9 leaflets, >>>>>>>>>>>>> flowers 2-6 together. This is now correctly known as >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Senna* *uniflora* (Mill.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://achutha.net/WeedWatch.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Senna uniflora Spreng., a very distinct plant with four >>>>>>>>>>>>> leaflets arranged like a cross and with single flower. this is >>>>>>>>>>>>> now correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>> known as >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Chamaecrista* *ramosa* (Vogel) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/28-chamaecrista_ramosa >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Vijayasankar ji is correct in saying that Senna >>>>>>>>>>>>> uniflora is the plant already discussed on our website for which >>>>>>>>>>>>> he has >>>>>>>>>>>>> provided the link. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And till we find a better choice, the best match is still >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cassia absus L. now correctly known as >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Chamaecrista* *absus* (L.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all are C. uniflora >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agree with Rajdeo ji, it is not Cassia absus. If it is C. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uniflora, then the correct genus is Senna (S. uniflora), but to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't look like S. uniflora either. Pl c this link >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/669102a1420b541f?fwc=1&hl=en >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct genus for this plant is Chamaecrista >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:19 AM, rajdeo singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rajdeo.1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Satish ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not Cassia absus, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its Cassia uniflora. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajdeo Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Project fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> St. Xavier's College, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mumbai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mere heart of stone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mere heart of stone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a >>>>>>>>>>>> mere heart of stone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>> India >>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr Satish Phadke >> > > > > -- > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), > Royal Enclave, > Jakkur Post, Srirampura > Bangalore- 560064 > India > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) > visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >
