Thank you Mr. Pascal Regards Yazdy.
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Pascal Bruggeman <[email protected]> wrote: > Yazdy, > > The pictures source is reliable, that is indeed jacquemontii but do > check the appendix of the flower in the background. It is not the > appendix but the spathe tip that is prortruding upwards with > jacquemontii, the appendix of jacquemontii is shorter than the spathe > blade. Do also check some other pictures of this species on the > internet and you will see the distinct appendix that is never as s- > shaped turning upwards as the plant from Alok > > Arisaema concinnnum has an even shorter appendix that hardly > prortrudes the spathe mouth. Apart from that, it is from a different > section with a radiatisect leaflets ("parasol type"), not a pedatisect > leaf like tortuosum of jacqemontii. > > A feature to look out for when comparing the leaves of jacquemontii > and tortuosum is the presence of a rachis in tortuosum, a "sub" leaf > stalk on which the lateral leaflets are attached, in jacquemontii the > leaves are more or less attached to a central point, in tortuosum the > lateral leaflets are attached to this axis. Although the axis can be > short in some forms of tortuosum, it is always present. It is also > worth noting that the flowers of jacquemontii are either male or > female, the flowers of tortuosum are either male or bisexual. But for > that you need to open up the spathe tube so that is side information. > > It is correct the plant from Alok is conform the description of > Arisaema curvatum in Flora Simlensis but the distinctive character > that set curvatum apart from tortuosum was the more narrow, linear > lanceolate leaflets. In current literature Arisaema curvatum is not > recognised as a separate taxon anymore and is a full synonym of > tortuosum. Tortuosum is a very widespread species and as a > consequence, highly polymorphic with many variants, both in the > Himalayas as well as in S India. The flower shape and presence of the > S-shaped upward appendix is always present, the main variation is in > the other plant parts. The most important reason why all the variants > are no longer considered separate taxa is that the variation seems to > be continuous, the absence of stable characters or character-sets does > not allow them to warrant a separate taxonomic status. > > Hope this helps. > > Pascal > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > Date: Oct 31, 3:36 pm > Subject: Kalatope Aisaema id al240711 > To: efloraofindia > > > Yazdy ji > It is definitely not A. jacquemontii, which does not have more than 7 > leaflets. A. concinnum has almost dark brown spathe with stron veins. > The > description clearly matches with A. curvatum from Flora Simlensis. It > is > another matter whether this species deserves an independent status or > not. > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Dear Dr.Gurcharan Singh ji, >> copying a linkshowing the picture of Arisaema jacquemonti. Am not sure >> if the source is reliable. >>http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ArisaemaSpeciesThree >> It is possibly Arisaema concinnum , giving the link below >>http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ArisaemaSpeciesOne >> Regards >> Yazdy. > >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:43 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. > >> > Some earlier relevant feedback: > >> > “may be Arisaema tortuosum” from Balkar ji. > >> > “Perhaps Arisaema jacquemontii > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh” > >> > “Balkar ji I also think this is not Arisaema tortuosum rather Arisaema >> > jacquemontii >> > Tanay” > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: Alok Mahendroo <[email protected]> >> > Date: 24 July 2011 20:12 >> > Subject: [efloraofindia:74984] Kalatope Aisaema id al240711 >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Dear friends, > >> > A commonly seen plant here often believed by locals to do something with >> > snakes.. no doubt because of it's shape.. > >> > Location Kalatope, Chamba >> > Altitude 2100mts >> > Habit herb >> > Habitat wild >> > Plant height 18 inches >> > season now > >> > regards >> > Alok >> > -- >> > Himalayan Village Education Trust >> > Village Khudgot, >> > P.O. 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