Hi, To help you with a list of native trees you could possibly plant please check this link : https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!search/My$20experiment$20with$20nesting$20boxes$20Neil$20Soares/seriousbirders/iP1WkpPysnc/_t2nCSw9T3gJ Personally am not interested in Michelia champaca as its origins are obscure. Some reports indicate the genus includes about 6 species of trees natives of India, Burma & Malayasia, whereas another rates it as a frank exotic, a native of Java & Sumatra. Had planted one on my property at Shahapur, but later removed it, but do have one at my bungalow at Khandala. With regards, Neil Soares. --- On Tue, 11/6/12, Satish Sherikar <[email protected]> wrote: From: Satish Sherikar <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:137214] Michelia champaca flowering To: "ushadi Micromini" <[email protected]> Cc: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]>, "jmgarg1" <[email protected]>, "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]>, "Mani Nair" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], "Gurcharan Singh" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], "Aarti S. Khale" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 2:18 PM Dear Usha di and others, Let me say that I'm a little greedy, just imagine a full grown champaca with a large number of flowers enveloping a bigger space with its beautiful fragrance :) I some how do not like grafting as it slows the natural growth of the plant/tree. There are places where I can use this, but there are places where I would prefer a natural tree growth. My friends who do tree planting as part of NGOs tell me that the Champacas that they plant grow about 4 feet per year. Let me also briefly give you all a picture of what I'm doing. We are a gated community of ~32 acres in Bangalore. The builder has already given us some set of trees (totally thoughtless job, giving us Royal palms and tabebuia roseas on avenues, while in some instances giving Cassia siamea, jacaranda, copper pod kind of trees in front of homes and in other instances giving tabebuia argentia to other homes). Anyways, apart from what the builder has done, we planted over 300 saplings in the last 1-2 months (over 50 different species, mostly native, but most numbers coming from Terminalia arjuna, Sterculia alata, Neolamarckia cadamba, Swietenia mahogany, Michelia champaca, Artocarpus heterophyllus, Pongamia pinnata, Thespesia populnea, Couroupita guianensis). We tried to have a mix of ornamental, flowering and fruit bearing trees so that we can also attract butterflies, birds, etc. Now, coming to the Champaca, we have some trees like Tabebuia argentia in front of the homes, which are hardly providing any shade and neither are they standing straight, and almost always needing a support. So, we wanted to plant some kind of native flowering tree, which does not grow very large, but provides decent shade, ideally 20 feet canopy. Lot of us love the champacas, but we realized this issue of late flowers, which some of the residents might not like. We have already planted ~20 Champacas in the common areas, but were in a dilemma whether to plant them in front of the homes or not. So, we atleast want to give complete picture to the owners so that they can take a call on if they want them or they want something else. So, if you folks have made through this long email and have some more patience in helping me out, request you to help me with this. Apart from Michelia champaca, can you folks also suggest any other tree species? One more head ache has been in trying to get tree species (especially native ones) in nurseries. Very difficult apart from the common ones. Thanks Satish On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:47 PM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> wrote: Dear all including satish : One does not plant a champaka tree for the growth or shade.. its planted for the fragrant flowers in the hot wet season and then bright green foliage .... one plants this tree just for the shear pleasure of the fragrance.. so please dont be disappointed in the slowness of the growth ... I personally am glad for the slowness, I have one in my balcony for the last three years and still it tolerates the 10 inch pot and has just finished its flowering yet it seems to be happy that has just started setting more buds!!! If you want shade... there are trees for it like the delonix regia or samea saman or the peepul or even most of the varieties from the fig family..... if you want fast growing nothing beats the Alstonia scholaris for fast growth ... Kleinhovias also grow very fast, so do putranjiva... one has a lot of choices in fast growers if one wants a run of the mill garden...Black jamun from seeds grows very fast and in three years almost takes over a corner of a garden... but for a classy garden patience is a virtue!!! good luck usha di On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Satish Sherikar <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Neil, and other members, Thanks for the info. Can you also please tell me how tall they grow and what is their growth rate? Also, are there any variants which flower earlier or are there any specific conditions required to make it flower? My friends says that he has seen a Champaca tree ~4-5yrs old which is in flower. The grafted ones seem to have a very slow growth rate and hardly seem to be growing. I have planted 1 grafted one (orange variety) in front of my home and see that it has barely put on 2-3 feet in 3-4 years! Regards Satish On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, Michelia champaca saplings grown from seeds take about 12 to 15 years to flower, whereas grafted ones flower immediately within 2 to 3 years most often while still in their polythene bags. With regards, Neil Soares. --- On Sat, 11/3/12, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: From: jmgarg1 <[email protected]> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:137214] Michelia champaca flowering To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 5:54 PM Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Satish <[email protected]> Date: 29 October 2012 11:24 Subject: [efloraofindia:136599] Michelia champaca flowering To: [email protected] Hi, I'm looking for information on Michelia Champaca. We are planting some trees in our colony and I procured about 30 odd saplings from the Forest Nursery. However, one of the local nursery guy mentioned that the Champaca saplings grown from seed (which is what most Forest nursery folks do) take a long time to flower (~10yrs) and that is the reason the grafted ones are sold in the local nurseries. Is this true? How tall/fast will a champaca sapling grow and how long for it to flower? Thanks -- -- With regards, J.M.Garg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 2000 members & 1,37,000 messages on 31/10/12) or Efloraofindia website: https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database of more than 7500 species). Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- -- Usha di =========== --
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