That looks like it, Harry. I thought more people had chimed in but I guess not. 

Geoffrey: I am sorry to hear that your research methods might be significantly 
impacted by these rulings. As you certainly will remember, these materials used 
to be freely available directly on TBRC/BDRC, and they only recently switched 
over to the IA check out system for those works. I wonder if Jann or anyone 
else at BDRC has any backup plans for the Pedurma material and other 
copyrighted works. Otherwise, I wonder if IA will be willing to pay the eBook 
licensing fees. 

Has anybody heard any word from IA and/or BDRC about their next steps, other 
than the general public statements about their disappointment with the 
ruling(s)? 

Sincerely,

Westin Harris
Ph.D. Candidate
Study of Religion
University of California, Davis
https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris

2021 Dissertation Fellow,
The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies

Sarva Mangalam.

> On May 13, 2023, at 5:13 AM, Harry Spier <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Is this the thread you are referring to:
> https://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology/2023-April/057531.html
> Harry Spier
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 1:12 PM Westin Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi Harry and other Indologists,
>> 
>> There was another thread about this topic recently but I am struggling to 
>> find the name of that thread. Forgive me for not being able to provide the 
>> link at this time. 
>> 
>> I am by no means an expert on this matter, so someone else please correct me 
>> if I am mistaken... but as I understand it, the recent rulings specifically 
>> and exclusively pertain to copyrighted material that the IA has scanned 
>> itself and now offers on a "check out" basis to a single user at a time. 
>> 
>> As I understand it, the ruling does not pertain to material on the IA that 
>> is NOT under copyright, material for which the copyright has lapsed, or 
>> material that has otherwise entered into public domain via any other avenue. 
>> As I understand it, these materials will remain as they are, freely 
>> available through IA -- no changes. 
>> 
>> Am I interpreting this correctly? 
>> 
>> In my usage of the IA, I have only ever used this "check out" function two 
>> times: for the Pedurma edition of the Kagyur/Tengyur and for a Pedurma 
>> edition of the Taranatha Sungbum. The vast majority of the sources I access 
>> on IA are in the public domain or otherwise not under copyright. 
>> 
>> Of course, just because I have only used the "check out" function sparingly 
>> does not mean the same is true for others. I am curious about how often 
>> other Indologists on this listserv access copyrighted material on IA using 
>> the "check out" function? Do others foresee any major obstacles to their 
>> current research methods as a result of these court rulings?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Westin Harris
>> Ph.D. Candidate
>> Study of Religion 
>> University of California, Davis
>> https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris
>> 
>> 2021 Dissertation Fellow,
>> The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies
>> 
>> Sarva Mangalam.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 6:15 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Dear list members 
>>> This video about the copyright legal problems the Internet Archive is 
>>> having and whether that puts the archive at risk, was posted on the BVP 
>>> list.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2aowF0jUw&ab_channel=AllThingsLost
>>> 
>>> Harry Spier
>>> 
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