Dear Aleksandar and Dan, Thank you both for those helpful tips! They at least give me places to extend my search.
All the best! Jeff > On Jun 23, 2024, at 3:07 PM, Dan Lusthaus <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Jeff, Matt, Alexandra, et al., > > My recollection (unfortunately from decades ago) is that Vallabha advances an > ontological argument analogous to Anselm. Too long ago to recall specific > sources. Is anyone on the list a Vallabha specialist able to confirm or deny > that? > > Best, > Dan > >> On Jun 23, 2024, at 1:32 PM, Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear Jeff and Matthew, >> >> On the conceivability, I had thought once that the TaittirIya section on the >> gradation of bliss that is followed by the famous verse--yato vAco >> nivartante aprApya manasA saha AnandaM brahmaNo vidvAn na bibheti >> kutazcana--shares something with Anselm's argument. This appears in related >> iterations. But that strange jump from conceivability to necessary being is, >> I think, what is unique to the ontological argument, and I don't think it >> shares much, if anything, with Shankara's self-evidentiality of oneself or >> anything related. Perhaps what comes closest is Shankara's--and >> Bhartrhari's--argument that Being must be predicated of everything, not as >> anything specific but as pure Being. But this comes from an incomparably >> different place and concerns. >> >> Yours, >> Aleksandar >> >> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >> From: INDOLOGY <[email protected]> on behalf of Jeffery >> Long via INDOLOGY <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 1:08:17 PM >> To: Matthew Kapstein <[email protected]> >> Cc: Indology List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Analogues to Anselm's Ontological Arguments in >> Indian Philosophy? >> >> Thank you, Matthew! >> >> That is my impression as well: that there is nothing quite similar to or >> even analogous to Anselm’s arguments in Indian philosophical traditions. As >> you say, Gaṅgeśa and others in the Nyāya and Navya-Nyāya traditions >> developed arguments closer to the Western cosmological and design arguments. >> I have thus far not found anything quite like Anselm’s arguments. >> >> I’ll be happy to learn if something is out there with which I am unfamiliar. >> >> All the best! >> >> Jeff >> >>> On Jun 23, 2024, at 12:55 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> But Jeff, >>>> Anselm’s argument is not about self-evidence per se, it’s about >>>> conceivability, and in its second iteration, necessary being. I’m not >>>> aware of close analogues in Indian philosophy. The classical theistic >>>> arguments seem to mostly resemble the Western cosmological and design >>>> arguments. >>>> >>>> There are some interesting developments in GaNgeza, of course, but I think >>>> still not along the lines of the ontological argument. >>>> >>>> best >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> Sent from Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> for iOS >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 18:17, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 18:17, >>>> Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <<a href=>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> Forgive me if this question has already been raised at some point on this >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> Are any of you aware of arguments developed in Indian philosophical >>>>> systems akin to the ontological arguments for the existence of God raised >>>>> by St. Anselm? The closest thing I can think of is Śaṅkara’s argument >>>>> that existence is self-evident. >>>>> >>>>> With much gratitude in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long >>>>> Carl W. Zeigler Professor of Religion, Philosophy, & Asian Studies >>>>> School of Arts & Humanities >>>>> Elizabethtown College >>>>> Elizabethtown, PA >>>>> >>>>> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong >>>>> >>>>> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Ethical, Philosophical, >>>>> and Theological >>>>> Lexington Books >>>>> >>>>> “One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all >>>>> difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of >>>>> life.” (Holy Mother Sarada Devi) >>>>> >>>>> “We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself.” (Carl Sagan) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >
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