Dear Harry,
this whole situation, about the modern attempted burial of many past
human endeavours, by means of AI, brings back to my mind the final
sentence ("Je souris *tristement*" ) in a story which I heard in
French, almost sixty years ago.
Un petit garçon assiste à l'enterrement de sa grand-mère et sourit.
Un adulte lui demande: "Pourquoi est-ce que tu souris, mon petit garçon?
N'es-tu pas triste que ta grand-mère soit morte?"
Le petit garçon répond: "Je souris, oui, mais je souris *tristement*"
-- Jean-Luc
On 05.02.2025 01:32, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY wrote:
Dear list members,
In fairness to the opposite view, I'm forwarding this off-line reply
to the list
Dear Harry, it depends WHICH AI do you use. Of course, ANY IA is
faultless, but some of them are more performant and exact than others.
So I asked the 2 I use "Does sanskrit have nukta", and here are the
answers:
*Gemini Ai studio / Gemini 2.0 Flash Experimental*
No, Sanskrit does not have the nukta ( नुक्ता ).
The nukta, a dot placed below a consonant, is a feature of the Persian
script and its derivatives, including Urdu and some other languages of
the Indian subcontinent. It's used to represent sounds that are not
present in the original script but were borrowed from Persian or Arabic.
While some Devanagari scripts used for writing languages other than
Sanskrit (like Hindi, Marathi, etc.) /do/ use the nukta to represent
foreign sounds (like क़, ख़, ग़, ज़, फ़), it is *not part of the
traditional or standard Sanskrit writing system.* Sanskrit's phonology
is considered complete and distinct, and it doesn't require the nukta
to represent any of its sounds.
*Copilot*
No, Sanskrit does not traditionally use the nukta. The nukta is a
diacritical mark used in some modern scripts, like Devanagari, to
represent additional sounds not originally found in the script. These
sounds often come from Persian, Arabic, or other languages and are
used in languages such as Hindi and Urdu. However, classical Sanskrit
does not incorporate the nukta. If you're curious about more aspects
of the Sanskrit script or its linguistic features, feel free to ask!
Best regards
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Il giorno mar 4 feb 2025 alle ore 06:06 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY
<[email protected]> ha scritto:
Thank you Hans. I just typed in "Does sanskrit have nukta" and I
think the google AI reply below shows the dangers of AI. It says
things that sound reasonable but are completely wrong.
Yes, Sanskrit does use "nukta" (also sometimes called "anusvara")
which is a small dot placed above a consonant to indicate a
different pronunciation; essentially acting as a diacritic to
differentiate between similar-looking consonants in the Devanagari
script used to write Sanskrit.
Key points about nukta in Sanskrit:
*
*Function:*
It is used to distinguish between similar-sounding consonants,
like "ta" (त) and "tha" (थ) where the nukta above the "th"
signifies a different pronunciation.
*
*Appearance:*
In Devanagari, nukta is represented as a small dot placed
above the consonant letter.
Harry Spier
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:14 PM Hock, Hans Henrich
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Harry,
This looks like a transfer from Hindi. What would be
comparable in RV, some other Vedic branches, and Pali is the
character ळ, which seems to indicate a similar lenition as in
Hindi ढ़ but with a different phonetic realization.
I’m not aware of a nukta being used in Sanskrit
Best wishes,
Hans Henrich
On Feb 3, 2025, at 20:47, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear list members,
I've noticed in some printed editions sanskrit *ढ* is
sometimes printed with a nukta as *ढ़* . Any explanation. Is
this just a case of regional pronounciation of the editor
leaking into the sanskrit.
As an aside when I typed "Nukta in sanskrit" into my google
browser, its AI overview replied "The nukta is a character in
sanskrit".
Thanks,
Harry Spier
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