Hi Finn,

I’m off in the boondocks with just my telephone, so I can’t send you precise 
references just now. But in connection with Buddhist tantra, you may wish to 
look at A. Csoma de Körös, Tibetan Studies, collecting his shorter articles and 
notes, with many concerning Indian Buddhist tantras. Burnouf also delved into 
this material in his Histoire, as did Vasilyev in his Buddizm. These figures 
were all on the more sympathetic side of the spectrum. L. Austin Waddell, on 
the other hand, may be the sort of author you’re looking for, if you want to 
find bald condemnations.

Of course, I am referring only to tantric mantras, not Vedic.

Good luck,
Matthew

On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 15:34, Finn Moore Gerety via INDOLOGY 
<[[email protected]](mailto:On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 15:34, Finn Moore 
Gerety via INDOLOGY <<a href=)> wrote:

> Dear colleagues—
>
> I’m trying to substantiate my vague impression that some 19th-century 
> Orientalists denigrated Sanskrit mantras as mumbo-jumbo and nonsense. I 
> wonder if anyone on this list can point me to direct quotations or 
> historiographic discussions of this.
>
> To be clear, I’m interested in early Orientalist discourse on mantras in 
> particular—not critiques of other Sanskrit genres such as Vedic prose (à la 
> Max Müller’s notorious “twaddle” quotation).
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Finn
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