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From: Jay Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> What you growin' in those woods Bill? The log is on the apache web server
> server running linux, you can access any webmail or cgi applications from
> windows with a web browser.
> At 07:58 AM 11/21/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >Huh? It looks to be just a text message regarding something called "Cog"
> >about an unconfirmed situation in a Linux-topic bulletin board system. Of
> >what interest or importance is that to anyone on this mailing list,
running
> >the Windows operating system, or using some form of webmail? Is this some
> >security breach that any or all of us should be concerned about?
> >
> >Bill
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I take offense at your initial remark above, not just for myself, but, on
behalf of the other subscribers of this mailing list as well.
I have been quite active on the internet for well over 10 years and am
self-taught by trial and error and through picking up tips on mailing lists
like this. I feel I know a considerable amount about the internet; not
enough about some things and a sufficient amount about things of interest to
me. I know what Linux is, the Windows operating system of course, webmail,
and numerous other elements and components of computing. I have never heard
of "Cog"; assume that "Slackware" is some sort of hacking program; and
thought that "Apache" was some sort of bulletin board software I encountered
years ago.
My questions you responded to with your insolent-sounding-to-me response
were valid and meant in earnest. Instead of providing more detail as I
requested about precisely what you alerted us to and its possible
ramifications and implications, your reply provided little further
background toward better understanding of it. You apparently must know more
of what it means than I do, and, numerous other subscribers of this mailing
list who, it has been shown, know less than either you or I. I feel that if
I don't know precisely what you are alluding, and alerting us, to, many
others here don't either. I personally do understand the intent of what you
say, but, you've provided no clear and present evidence that these possible
malcontents have actually done something to directly affect me or others on
this newsgroup. I see the intent, but not the proof.
The exact data on the webpage you pointed us toward is merely (to my
interpretation) a bulletin board (BB)message regarding some possible hacking
software program. It appears to be a Linux BB which doesn't directly relate
to the Windows environment as far as I know (if it does, your advising us of
that by answering my questions would have been helpful). The initial message
in that BB asks a general question whether their application performs a
certain duty, no more, no less. I see no list of stolen passwords or other
critical data to possibly be alarmed about. By clicking on the response to
that person's query, I see some introductory file structure, which, to my
somewhat uneducated impression in this area, means little. Again, I see no
list of passwords or other obvious catchwords or phrases or further proof
that whatever they are talking about is something that I and the rest of
this mailing list should be deathly afraid of. I see no "log" or "644
permissions" that may be foretelling or informational. In fact, I see little
of obvious importance there, but, that's my fault for not being as adept and
astute as you at knowing whatever it is they are talking about.
If you had offered a detailed explanation, with or without answering my
earlier earnest follow-up questions, I, and we, might have been considerably
more educated or concerned about its portentous nature. But, you didn't go
to any extra distance to help us understand the meaning of all this. If
there were obvious data of critical importance on those webpages, I may not
have needed to ask you questions (apparently moronic ones from your response
attitude) about it.
Now, it is obvious by the length to which I've already composed this message
that I am often quite verbose in describing things in detail. I've been
criticized by random netizens at various times in the past who apparently
take offense at that inherent characteristic or ingrained trait, but, I do
it because I feel it best to explain things to the best of my ability so
others can learn or understand what I'm trying to describe or advise them
of. It is in my personal best interest to put forth enough effort as I see
fit to get my point(s) across for that understanding.
Even if someone who already has a dislike of my lengthy mailing list
messages here sees this and skips right past it, so be it. I still do this
because it is what I feel justified in doing and in my own way it is my way
of making my feelings known to the best of my ability for the benefit of
others. A way of sharing my knowledge and feelings. I don't care if not
everyone reads it, likes it, or learns by it. I do it because to me its the
right way to do it no matter what the cost in time and effort.
To be honest, it has bothered me in the past that you present all manner of
things with little introduction or explanation and seem to expect everyone
to know the value of whatever it is you are putting before us. I don't
expect you or anyone else to operate as I do and put forth more effort than
perhaps necessary, but, for the benefit of everyone who is not as aware of
whatever it is you are presenting, it would do us all a bit of good to
understand just what your intent is or why we should check out, or into,
whatever it should mean to us.
I now feel I've nearly said enough in one message. I hope you personally,
Jay, take this to heart and consider what you present in this forum and how
not everyone is as knowlegeable about, or as interested in, the things you
bring to the table. To put it in more common vernacular, if I must, perhaps
you should dumb it down a little. You don't have to go to the length I've
done here to get your point across, but, at least try to clue in the folks
who are not as aware as you are. Again, we'd all benefit by that little bit
of extra effort.
And please, I don't need to be accused of just falling off the turnip truck
just because I have valid concerns about something I don't know the full
consequences of, or the absolute proof leading to, any particular real or
imagined dire danger.
Bill
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