What are the two different views of salvation coming from the Assembly? Bev
-----Original Message----- From: darren wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:31 PM To: insights Subject: RE: A real concern for Christianity i apologise to people like judy redman for possible cross postings... i posted some of this the other day on the late late elist that i moderate... that being said i think it adds to the conversation of this no longer being about sexuality or the leadership issues within the church. I was talking to dad the other day about the current stuff being talked about re sexuality and church and emu and alliances and blah blah blah. His thoughts were that this is not a discussion about Sexuality, homosexual ministers and nor was it a discussion of us not thinking the same or who is christian and not. His thought was that this is a discussion on "Salvation," that the current stuff that comes out of the UCA Assembly allows there to be two different views on Salvation which are not the same. Infact, he was suggesting they were "opposite" and therefore unable to live side by side. The problem is that they "cannot tell a homosexual person that they will go to heaven if they dont change their acts." Because the stuff that came out of the Assembly basically says that there are two theologies of salvation these people have to take a stand, there is only one way to salvation. not two. This opened my eyes some more about the current discussion, Ive always held to the salvation stuff, however ive never really viewed salvation as "getting into heaven." guess my problem is that my view of heaven isnt the same as many who talk about salvation = heaven. Which then means than not only does my salvation ideas not match, niether do my heaven ideas, nor my god ideas, not my faith..... Once again i look at all of this and ask "does this mean that I'm christian?" or even "does this mean that i wont get into heaven" Once again i look at these discussion and see how blooming irrelevant they are, Jesus preached a God who is all about relationships, a God which we can connect with, a God that is interested and involved. I wonder sometimes that if i bumped into the crew of the prophets on a hill one day, would i offer to build a tent and stay with them or would i just tell them that they arent christians and that they cant partake in my church anymore. Once again i'm reminded that we cannot choose our families, but we can choose our friends, and i ask myself if we're chosen and called to be friends of christ or a family with... in which case we're called to be a family and that also means that we can't choose... How does the church move on from its idea that it holds the keys to the gates of heaven to the place where the church is the community who are building the Kingdom of God? Cheers Darren Wright --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/03 ------------------------------------------------------ - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm ------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: The information in this message and any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. To the extent that this email contains information provided to Synod of WA/Wesley Mission Perth by other sources, Synod of WA/Wesley Mission Perth does not warrant that it is accurate or complete. Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual sender and do not necessarily reflect the views of Synod of WA/Wesley Mission Perth. ------------------------------------------------------ - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm ------------------------------------------------------
