On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Jens Elkner wrote:

> 'James Carlson wrote:'
>>
>> Jens Elkner writes:
>>> Is anybody able to explain, why SUNWcsl has no dependency on SUNWsasl 
>>> defined?
>>
>> What "SUNWsasl"?  Are you referring to the Sun One Directory Server?
>
> Ooops, sorry - SUNWlibsasl of course!
>
>>> Actually, if one pkgrm SUNWsasl (because unusable wrt. sendmail - one has 
>>> to build and install the real cyrus-sasl), the user gets no warning (not a 
>>> single Sol10/Nevada package has a P SUNWsasl). But after the removal, 
>>> nobody is able to login, because the pam stuff depends on libldap.* 
>>> (doesn't matter, whether one uses ldap maps or not), which in turn depends 
>>> on libsasl.
>>
>> libsasl comes from SUNWlibsasl on Solaris, and it's in SUNWCmreq (the
>> "Minimal Core System Support" metacluster), which means that it
>> _cannot_ be removed from a supported system and thus requires no
>> explicit dependencies.
>
> Unfortunately the running system has no idea wrt. to clusters. And no-one
> should expect an user/admin to inspect the .clustertoc, before he removes
> a from the running system as unused reported package.
> Compared with Linux, Solaris seems still to live in the stoneage:
> The package system provides the opportunity to record dependencies,
> but it seems to be rarely used (perhaps because the developer think,
> the initial install program needs to know about the deps, only)...

I have to agree with Jens here - our packaging dependancies could really
use some work (it's been a nit of mine since before I started working at
Sun... so it's not a new problem... )  The packaging utilities need to
prevent our users from hurting themselves this way, and the only way
is to set up correct packaging dependancies.

>> If you're seeing a problem with sendmail, then please file a bug on
>> it.
>
> 6211461, 6481399, 4973191 , 6255915 etc. , just search the bug db for
> sasl sendmail saslauthd

6255915 is closed as "not a defect"

4973191 is marked "no resources available", so it's not that we don't
want to fix it...

and 6481399 seems to be a duplicate of 6481399 (so I'm assuming the
no resources available is applicable here).

> So, I guess its a waist of time, to file another one, which gets probably
> ignored again. Sometimes I realy have the feeling, that Solaris developer
> live in their own world and do not really know, what customers need.
> Every little Linux-vendor seems to do a much better job wrt. software
> assembly/packaging, than SUN does ... :-(((

it sounds like you're seeing a different bug than what any of the above
describe.  Please do file it.


Valerie
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Valerie Bubb, http://blogs.sun.com/bubbva
Solaris Security Technologies,  Developer, Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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