On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:14 AM Tom Herbert <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:32 AM Phillip Hallam-Baker > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:36 PM Joseph Touch <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 27, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> IP end to end does not mean the IP address is constant end to end. It > never has meant that and never will. > >>> > >>> > >>> Actually, that's the only thing it ever meant and always will. When > addresses change, *by definition*, the*ends* change (and yes, that's what > NATs do - they create end-to-end CONTENT transfer over separate end-to-end > Internets). > >> > >> > >> By whose definition? Not by mine. > >> > >> > >> I’d start with RFCs 791 and 1122, but there’s also the pseudo header in > RFC 793, to be very specific. > >> > >> TCP and TLS give me a reliable end-to-end stream. The fact that the IP > address is exposed is merely an unfortunate defect in the legacy APIs. > >> > >> As the application layer designer, I am the customer here. I do not > care about the IP address. > >> > >> > >> Hmmm. By what value do you call TCP endpoint? > >> > >> You must have magic sockets that don’t actually refer to IP addresses. > > > > > > I have a library that implements RFC6763. So my application code doesn't > actually consider IP addresses. > > > It's great that _you_ have a solution, but not everyone does. The > standard says that a TCP connection endpoint is defined by a 4-tuple > of source address, destination address, source port, destination port. > It is an invariant that we have forty years of operational experience > with. If you think that design decision is obsolete or should be > revisited, then by all means propose an alternative in tsvwg. > > Tom > That is a TCP connection. Applications don't deal in TCP connections, they deal in sockets. Its called abstraction. All that complexity belongs in a box that the application programmer doesn't need to open. Now current practice is that people use the gethostbyname() call to do DNS resolution and so they end up being unable to make use of DNS properly. But that is a problem with the 40 year old legacy API which can be changed or circumvented entirely RFC6763 is what the application layer should use.
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