Bechet - Your point "Without an IP address access to the Internet is
restricted. " is true; however, denying assignment of an address using DHCP
does not keep a host from getting a global IP address through some other
means like manual configuration, snooping the link to determine the
appropriate prefix and hijacking an address or (IPv6) address
autoconfiguration.

- Ralph


On 4/13/07 11:57 AM, "Behcet Sarikaya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Alan DeKok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Behcet Sarikaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:59:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Re: [dhcwg] Discussion of subscriber authentication
> 
> 
> Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
>> Hi Hesham,
>> Have you read draft-pruss? If you look at Figure 1, it is not replacing
>> AAA servers with DHCP servers, DHCP server acts like NAS. I agree that
>> DHCP has been overloaded and I think it is this issue that Ralph wants
>> discussed.
> 
>   The DHCP server receives an unsigned, unencrypted packet from some
> random device on the net, that could very well be spoofed... and uses
> that to initiate a signed, potentially encrypted authentication session
> with a AAA server.
> 
>   I don't think that's a very good idea.
> 
> [behcet] agreed
> 
>   At least with normal AAA access requests there's an underlying session
> that the NAS can hang up on.  e.g. Dial-up session, PPPoE, TCP
> connection, etc.  The NAS may have no idea who the caller is, but it can
> forcibly boot them off of the network if authentication fails.  DHCP
> servers have no such power.  If someone avoids DHCP, and therefore
> avoids this DHCP "authentication", their ability to access the network
> is unrestricted.
> 
> [behcet]
> Disagree. Without an IP address access to the Internet is restricted. Yes the
> host may have access to the link. 802.11 access points let you associate with
> open authentication but you can not use the network. It may be the same on DSL
> networks. 
> The host can make a link-local address both in v4 and v6 but not a global
> address.
> 
>   This proposal complicates the network for limited benefit, and can
> easily be worked around.  It depends on untrusted clients doing the
> "right thing" when they're told authentication has failed, which is an
> interesting approach to network security.
> 
> [behcet] Authentication failed, no IP address, what more can you do?
> 
>   Alan DeKok.
> _______________________________________________
> Int-area mailing list
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area

_______________________________________________
Int-area mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area

Reply via email to