Bill,

Thank you for your response. Sorry about the latency of mine. 

> It's just a matter of resource management and managing state on the
> BRAS/BNG.
> 
> With PPPoE you have the following steps:
> Authentication
> Resource assignment (Address, QoS, filters)
> 
> With PANA you have the following:
1.> Temp resource assignment (Address, QoS, filters)
2.> Authentication
3.> Removal of temp resources (Address, QoS, filters)
4.> Service resource assignment (Address, QoS, filters)

Regarding step 1:

As other folks have said, some preconfigured QoS and filters can be applied
to the PANA exchange. 

And the same needs to be done even if you were using EAP/DHCP. The DHCP
packets need to be exposed to some QoS and filter rules prior to successful
authentication. 

Regarding step 3:

If we apply preconfigured rules to pre-auth traffic (e.g., allow only PANA
with QoS ....), not sure if you need to remove anything.


> The Addresses, Qos and filters will not be the same for temp resource
> assignment and Service resource assignment.

Right.


> Every login is four step process vs. a two step process and you have to
> manage some type of token or identifier between the authentication and
> service resource assignment.

If you are talking about what identifier can tie PANA authentication to DHCP
configuration, that can be either the MAC address or the IP address. 

Alper


> 
> Best regards,
> Bill Welch
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alper Yegin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill Welch
> Cc: 'Internet Area'
> Subject: RE: [Int-area] DCHP-based authentication for DSL?
> 
> 
> I think we need to understand this a bit better, as now we are talking
> about
> implementation optimizations.
> 
> > The fact that the BRAS/IP Edge equipment in this case do not have
> > to "distribute" a full subscriber IP state in the BRAS until the
> > subscriber is okay, is a big advantage to the subscriber bring up
> rate.
> 
> How is the situation different if you were using PANA?
> 
> > Having a solution that assigns a temporary address or uses a link
> local
> > address complicates the implementation and does not mirror the
> existing
> > PPPoE solution.
> 
> Can you please expand on the complication part? Please note that the IP
> address configured prior to subscriber authentication is not the
> "service IP
> address".
> 
> Also, even with DHCPv6, the client is already configured with a
> link-local
> IPv6 address prior to sending the very first DHCPv6 message.
> 
> Alper
> 
> 




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