On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 10:59 AM Mel Dafert <m...@dafert.at> wrote: > On 27 February 2022 00:04:58 CET, Kamil Tekiela <tekiela...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >I just wanted to add that the following > > > >$name = $_POST['name'] ?: 'Default Name'; > > > >with existence check would be > > > >$name = $_POST['name'] ?? null ?: 'Default Name'; > > > >You don't need empty(). > > > >I would be against changing the behaviour of elvis/ternary operator. > >However, I remember seeing past suggestions to implement another operator. > >One that would fill the gap between null-coalesce and elvis operators. If > I > >recall correctly, most of the time, these proposals end in consensus that > >such operator isn't really needed. See > >https://externals.io/message/89292#89292 and > >https://externals.io/message/101606#101610 > >Maybe, it would be worthwhile to refresh a discussion about adding such > >operator to the PHP language? > > I think that what would be needed here is another proposal from this > discussion, > something like a null-safe operator but for array access. > > From a different thread about this: > > On 15 February 2022 16:50:48 CET, Rowan Tommins <rowan.coll...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >I seem to remember someone proposing an explicit operator for "this array > dimension might not exist", something like this: > > > >if ( $array[?'key'] === true ) > > > >Which would translate to: > > > >if ( (array_key_exists('key', $array) ? $array['key'] : null) === true ) > > I would propose to extend this still to mean: > `if((($array !== null && array_key_exists('key', $array)) ? $array['key'] > : null) === true)` > > This combines the above proposal with the behaviour of the nullsafe > operator > `?->`, allowing to signal that the array may be null or that the key may > not be set. > > This allows the requested functionality without warnings/notices: > > $name = $_POST[?'name'] ?? 'Default Name'; > > But also allows accessing arrays with multiple, possibly defined > dimensions: > > $val = $array[?'a'][?'b'][?'c'] ?? 'default'; > > Currently, the last example would need to be a rather unwieldy ternary: > > $val = (isset($array['a']) && isset($array['a']['b']) && > isset($array['a']['b']['c']) ? $array['a']['b']['c'] : 'default'; >
I've been writing it like this: $val = (($array['a'] ?? [])['b'] ?? [])['c'] ?? 'default'; which is still unwieldy. I don't actually know if it is required to use [] vs. null, but it makes sense to use an empty array to me. > > The fact that the new syntax would also allow $array to be null may be > undesirable in some cases, but I don't know if we can define the semantics > in a better way. > (Also, in some cases this may actually be useful, eg. when mixing ?-> and > the new > [?...] syntax.) > I am not sure if the exact syntax/semantics proposed here are the best > solution, but I would argue that the fact that this seems to be a > recurring topic > calls for a solution in that general direction. > > I've been playing with a couple of syntaxes all day, but I think $array[?$key] is growing on me. It isn't ambiguous or unwieldy. I did discover an interesting case though: ['inner key' => $value] = $array[?'outer key']; Right now ['key' => $value] = null; results in $value === null with no warning. I'd personally prefer for it to be a warning, but might be out of scope for this change, but if it were, maybe we'd want to use this syntax if we did want null. [?'inner key' => $value] = $array[?'outer key']; I don't think list() operations will be a part of this RFC, FWIW. > Regards, > Mel >
