Hey Am 23.07.25 um 17:21 schrieb Volker Dusch:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 4:30 PM Andreas Heigl <andr...@heigl.org> wrote:Adding an Abstain in combination with one of these changes * Introducing a certain amount of minimum votes (including abstains) * Connecting voting karma to actual particiation in votes sounds very reasonable and worthwile in my opinion. Adding an abstain just so one can see that one abstained on the other hand seems to me rather pointless.There are two immediate benefits for me: 1) I get a couple of messages per week asking about a certain RFC, if I've seen it, etc. For RFCs where I don't want to vote, it would be nice to communicate that.
Would that then mean that the abstain voting option would already be open during the discussion phase?
I don't vote on RFCs where I haven't read the implementation and tested things, so for some topics I choose not to spend the time. Getting asked about it by multiple people gets draining. Totally a "me" problem, sure, but something that would be solved by allowing me to communicate that I've seen the thing, publicly. 2) Looking back, when going over the RFC list, it would be nice to see which things I've read and engaged with. Not just what I voted on.
But isn't that a third option that has not necessarily something to do with voting? I mean, Interacting does not necessarily mean to vote yes/no OR to abstain.
And I don't think it makes sense to tie future-looking policy changes into this; that would require a way bigger scoped discussion.
I'd rather see it the other way around. For me the abstain would be a consequence from the other - possibly bigger scoped - discussions.
As you point out, the abstain alone solves a me "problem". Changing the process just for that, seems overkill to me.
But solving the future-looking policy changes along with this - and "introducing a quorum" is mentioned as a "Future Scope" - is something that I'd absolutely look forward to!
For me the abstain is neither a single change nor the beginning of a process. For me it is the logical consequence of introducing a quorum.
Again, just my 0.02€
Cheers
Andreas
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