On 06/01/2026 02:14, Stuardo -StR- Rodríguez wrote:
Hello internals,
I am writing to open the discussion for the RFC "use-from syntax for
namespace use declarations":
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/use-from
Hi, and welcome!
As you say in the RFC, a new syntax like this "requires a clear and
strong justification". Looking at the reasons given, I'm not convinced
they pass that test. Let's look at them in order:
RATIONALE 1: "makes it easier to scan and (optionally) sort import lists
by imported symbol"
At first glance, this seems like a reasonable idea, but there are two
aspects of PHP's existing syntax which work against it.
The first problem is the braced-list form for aliasing multiple symbols
from one namespace. Taking the example from your RFC, grouping gives this:
```
use Carbon from Illuminate\Support;
use Inertia from Inertia;
use {SettingService,TaskService} from App\Services;
use {Status,Task,User} from App\Models;
use {TaskCreated,TaskUpdated} from App\Events;
use TaskRepository from App\Repositories;
use TaskUpdateData from App\DTOs;
use ZipArchive;
```
This is much more concise, but sorting no longer helps find a symbol
(e.g. you have to read each entry to find "User"). Sorting by the first
item in a group, as shown, is also unstable: importing
"App\Models\Agent" would require moving the fourth line to the top of
the list.
The second problem is custom aliases, which you propose not one but two
new styles for, neither of which allow you to sort or scan by the symbol
as used in the file.
The first variant actively harms scanning, putting the symbol we're
looking for in the *middle* of the statement:
use TaskRepository as Repository from App\Repositories;
The second variant splits the real name and the alias to opposite ends
of the line. The reader has to check both to see which symbol is
actually being defined:
use TaskRepository from App\Repositoriesas Repository;
The existing syntax places the symbol being defined consistently at the
end, next to the real name it is aliasing:
use App\Repositories\TaskRepositoryas Repository;
RATIONALE 2(a): "reducing cognitive friction for developers who
regularly move between languages that already use a similar form"
This seems to fall down almost immediately, because you quote Python as
an example, but it's not in the proposed order! In fact, JavaScript
seems to be a rare outlier in placing the imported symbol first:
JavaScript: import { Widget } from "acme-lib";
Python: from acmeLib import Widget
Java: import AcmeLib.Widget;
C#: using AcmeLib.Widget;
Swift: import class AcmeLib.Widget
Kotlin: import AcmeLib.Widget
Scala: import AcmeLib.Widget
PHP: use AcmeLib\Widget;
RATIONALE 2(b): "makes the import semantics immediately recognizable to
a wider audience"
As Ben Ramsey pointed out, the opposite is true: the semantics of "use"
are *not* the same as JavaScript's "import", so making them look similar
sets up false expectations. PHP's "use" statement does not load any
code, and doesn't even need to refer to a real class; it is purely a
compile-time rewrite rule, more similar to C's #define pre-processor macro.
Worse, JavaScript actually has two *different* import syntaxes which
resemble the proposal:
import { Widget } from "acme-lib"
import Widget from "acme-lib"
The first is the one which superficially resembles a PHP "use"
statement, while the second is actually a short-hand for this, which has
no equivalent in PHP at all:
import { default as Widget } from "acme-lib"
RATIONALE 3: "projects that prefer namespace-first ordering can continue
to do so"
Superficially, this is true; but having more than one way to write
something has a non-zero cost.
First, every tool processing the language's syntax has to support the
new syntax, even if only to enforce a coding standard that it should not
be used.
Second, users will not immediately know that the different syntaxes mean
the same thing. For instance, users frequently ask the difference
between "exit" and "die":
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1795025/what-are-the-differences-in-die-and-exit-in-php
This is even more likely given the previous two points: the new syntax
will look like JS, where the various different "import" syntaxes *do*
mean different things.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/import
All things considered, if this is ever taken to a vote, I will vote No.
--
Rowan Tommins
[IMSoP]
