Hi Anatol.

Côme already replied to the technical aspects of what we are trying to do.

Am 25.06.15 um 17:56 schrieb Anatol Belski:
> Hi Andreas,
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andreas Heigl [mailto:andr...@heigl.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:40 PM
>> To: internals@lists.php.net
>> Cc: Côme BERNIGAUD
>> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Deprecating ldap_sort
>>
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> Côme Bernigaud and myself are currently cleaning up the LDAP-Extension
>> (Well, Côme is doing the hard work and I'm trying to assist in some
>> way). We would like to bring it in line with a more recent version of
>> the OpenLDAP-lib. Currently the plan is to require OpenLDAP 2.4 as the
>> minimum version to build ext/ldap against. This is on a very good way [1].
>>
>> But in said OpenLDAP-library the ldap_sort-function already has been
>> marked as deprecated [2]. Therefore we'd like to at least mark PHPs
>> ldap_sort function as deprecated also.
>>
>> The current rewrite will make it possible to later use the server-sided
>> sort functionality so there will be only limited need for the current
>> (client sided) ldap_sort function.
>>
>> As it's a BC-break to remove the ldap_sort function will we have to
>> setup an RFC for that? Or is it a plain "mark it deprecated in PHP7 and
>> throw it away in PHP8" kind of decission? And will it be possible to get
>> that marked deprecated in 7 at all?
>>
> I've a few questions to this. Can it be implemented with non deprecated 
> symbols? Or maybe, can the server side sort not be done with the same 
> function, as it's probably the same job? Or it will be really not required? 
> Any info about the plans on the openldap side to remove the deprecated 
> symbols (AFAIR those are kept already for years)?
> 
> We're currently don't know, how wide this function is used and how much it 
> would break. In general, deprecating it if there's a strong reason, could be 
> sufficient. If there's a small possibility to keep this function, we should 
> use it. Fe maybe it could kept and enabled with a configure option, that way 
> it'll be still usable. 

I might have not expressed myself correctly about the deprecated thingy.
I was actually refering to whether it would be possible to raise an
E_DEPRECATED for calling ldap_sort. If we could bring that into PHP7.0
we would be able to remove it from PHP7.1 and get a clean codebase
without any functions marked as deprecated in the underlying lib.

If we'd have to wait for PHP7.1 for the E_DEPRECATED that would mean we
can remove the deprecated function_calls at the earliest in PHP7.2.
That's a long timescale ;)

> 
> Any feedback from the ldap users were appreciated here, as well.

I don't use it ;)

I've checked phpLdapAdmin (not used), GOsa (not used) and Zend\Ldap
(sadly used, but I can rewrite that part) but that are just three libs
out there out of so many self-written scripts....

Cheers

Andreas

> 
> Regards
> 
> Anatol
> 


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