Scott,
I am also curious about the business model behind this.

But keep in mind that the telecom operators have much more serious
business to cater for than chasing petty cash on what actually is an
entirely local connection.

Their real issue is how to convince the handset makers to NOT
support phone calls through already-paid-for WLAN connections
using VoIP because that would REDUCE current revenues by
some 75% or more.

I suspect that the telecom operators will be dividid into "free" and
"valled garden" types.  A "free" operator allow you to use any
compatible phone and only charge for the "line" like an ISP, while the
other type require customers to only use branded phones but
also provides a more extensive menu of services.

Which one prevails is decided by the market like you and me.

I go for the free alternative and let my employeer, bank, government
etc. be my "operator" for the thinngs they are geared for rather than
having an expensive "mediator" in the middle even at the expense
of some functionality!

Anders

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Guthery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Anders Rundgren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 14:22
Subject: RE: Motorola trials NFC payments with MasterCard


The shoe that hasn't dropped is the cut of each transaction that the telecom will try 
to extract.  Recall their business model is "I
own the spectrum, you do the work, I get the revenue."  I can see a sparkle in their 
eye intimates thinking of 10% and more.

Remind me again why we need a SIM ... with a great, big, slowJava VM no less.  128K, 
8-bit power hog at the end of 1960's 96K baud
connection.  Can you say Minitel?

Cheers, Scott

-----Original Message----- 
From: Anders Rundgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 10/14/2004 7:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: Motorola trials NFC payments with MasterCard



http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,4762_4058_23,00.html

EMV?  It will likely be the biggest fiasco of the financial sector ever.

However, it is still possible to call off the EMV project, with
(completely true) statements such as:

"Recent technological advances indicate that it is time for reconsideration"

"The biggest problems with the credit card system is actually on the Internet,
something EMV was not designed to handle on a wide scale"


My 0.2 cents


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