On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, M Rawash wrote: > On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 16:29 -0400, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, M Rawash wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 23:43 -0400, Timandahaf wrote: > > > > On Mon, 5 Apr 2010, M Rawash wrote: > > > > > now that tuomov has finally severed his last remaining connection > > > > > with ion, what do we (committed ion users) do now? > > > > > > > > First, thanks for starting this thread! I did notice that Tuomov's > > > > pages were down, but since his whole site was down, I was waiting > > > > for it to come back without realizing he might have taken the whole > > > > project down. Quick question: do we know for sure Tuomov has > > > > severed connections with ion3 permanently or is this our best guess > > > > at this point? > > > > > > It's a pretty solid guess... > > > > Tuomo responded to an email on this list on March 22. Maybe he's just > > on vacation. He's complained often about the lack of good, simple web > > hosting. > > Tuomo's website 404'd, the rest of the (host) website and all the other > accounts look pretty fine to me, doesn't seem like a problem with the > host at all (although it's still possible).
Bad choice of words on my part: by 'web hosting', I didn't mean the server -- I meant the software, e.g.: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg03126.html Ikiwiki replacement etc. - Tuomo Valkonen """ I will have to replace Ikiwiki as the Ion site generator, since it fails to work under Cygwin. [...] """ > > Seems slightly hasty to not wait to hear from the man himself that > > the project is "abandoned"-abandoned (as opposed to "I've switched > > to Windows, and don't plan to support this"). > > i believe forking was already on a lot of people's minds for some time > now (as somebody else mentioned), the fact that the website is no > longer available merely served as a motivation. Yep. Seems reasonable, despite Fake Tuomo's proclamations (ha). > > > > ion3 has been my primary environment for a while now, and I > > > > won't consider changing. I love its design, philosophy, and > > > > simplicity, but I'm preaching to the choir here. > > > > > > > > I'm all for forking into /one/ fork, and that too only because > > > > of the licensing issue--please lets not make multiple messy > > > > forks. Like a few of you, I don't have much time either right > > > > now, but expect to be able to contribute a more a few months > > > > down the line. But I can contribute towards getting us going > > > > right now if needed. > > > > Personally, I don't understand everyone's reluctance to even > > consider changing. > > not true, i suggest you dig deeper into this thread... You're right of course. s/everyone's/some people's/ > > Ion's great 'n all, but without extremely committed > > leadership, there doesn't seem to be much point to forking. (Either it > > will remain the useful tool it is and only get bugfixes, or it'll bitrot > > completely.) Why not branch out and get other similar-minded window > > managers (under active development) to incorporate some of what you love > > about ion? > > now why didn't 'we' think of that? Not sure if that's sarcastic. Doesn't make sense if it is. My point was that moving on might be more fruitful than treading water. > i believe anybody who could have left has already done so. so... Touché. Guess I'll go back to lurking. (I'm only still here for the occasional Tuomo rant.) > > Guessing that won't be a popular sentiment, but whatever. Not > > trying to completely discourage anyone -- just adding my $.02. > > > > we're ion users, we are used to unpopular sentiments; we should get a > prise or something. Also a good point. As before, best of luck. -- Ben
