Hi Stephen,

On 05 Nov 2013, at 23:21, Stephen Kent <k...@bbn.com> wrote:

> 
>>  As for scaling, we already have DMVPN networks of 10000+ nodes and looking 
>> at building networks of 40000+ nodes.
>> In many cases customers have multiple subnets behind each node, therefore 
>> with just IPsec I would need to have multiple SAs/encryption between the 
>> same two nodes, even if you are only doing subnet to subnet SPDs.  Take the 
>> case of two nodes that each have 4 subnets. I could need as many as 16 SAs 
>> to cover all cases.  Or even a simpler case between a host (1 local address) 
>> and a node at a data center (say 20 subnets), I would need up to 20 SAs to 
>> cover this.  In many of our networks we are asked to support at least 5 
>> (sometimes 10) subnets per spoke location.
> That's a helpful clarification. It does not appear to be the sort of 
> environment that initially seemed to be the focus of this work, e.g., road 
> warriors calling home or home/satellite offices for a moderate size 
> enterprise. 

In fact, there are multiple environments in play. From simple networks to 
complex network. The DMVPN proposal addresses both.

regards,

        fred
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