Hi Tobias,

> Hey Valery,
> Thanks for the clarification, we'll add this statement in the draft!

Thank you.

> Just because I'm interested: For me, this seems to be a general problem for 
> implementing counter
ciphers
> in multicast scenarios, regardless of implicit-iv or not.
> Do you know how the IV is usually chosen in multicast-implementations?

The Group Controller assigns each sender a unique counter prefix. See Section 
3.5 of RFC 6407.

Regards,
Valery.

> Maybe we could add a recommendation in the draft.
> 
> Thanks
> Tobias
> 
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: IPsec [mailto:ipsec-boun...@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Valery Smyslov
> Gesendet: Montag, 10. Oktober 2016 09:06
> An: Daniel Migault <daniel.miga...@ericsson.com>; IPsecME WG <ipsec@ietf.org>
> Betreff: Re: [IPsec] FW: New Version Notification 
> fordraft-mglt-ipsecme-implicit-iv-01.txt
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> I think you should add a text in the Security Considerations that these 
> transforms MUST NOT be
used in
> situations where there is a chance that Sequence Numbers repeat. The most 
> prominent example where
it
> can happen - multicast ESP SA with multiple senders.
> 
> Regards,
> Valery.
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Based on the feed backs and the discussions from the previous IETF,
> > see the updated version of our draft. We believe the document is in
> > good
> shape to become a WG document.
> >
> > Feel free to support the draft and as usually, comments are welcome!
> >
> > BR,
> > Daniel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internet-dra...@ietf.org [mailto:internet-dra...@ietf.org]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 7:15 PM
> > To: Tobias Guggemos <tobias.gugge...@gmail.com>; Yoav Nir
> > <ynir.i...@gmail.com>; Daniel Migault <daniel.miga...@ericsson.com>
> > Subject: New Version Notification for
> > draft-mglt-ipsecme-implicit-iv-01.txt
> >
> >
> > A new version of I-D, draft-mglt-ipsecme-implicit-iv-01.txt
> > has been successfully submitted by Daniel Migault and posted to the
> > IETF
> repository.
> >
> > Name: draft-mglt-ipsecme-implicit-iv
> > Revision: 01
> > Title: Implicit IV for Counter-based Ciphers in IPsec Document date:
> > 2016-10-08
> > Group: Individual Submission
> > Pages: 6
> > URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mglt-ipsecme-implicit-iv-01.txt
> > Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mglt-ipsecme-implicit-iv/
> > Htmlized:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mglt-ipsecme-implicit-iv-01
> > Diff:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-mglt-ipsecme-implicit-iv-01
> >
> > Abstract:
> >   IPsec ESP sends an initialization vector (IV) or nonce in each
> >   packet, adding 8 or 16 octets.  Some algorithms such as AES-GCM, AES-
> >   CCM, AES-CTR and ChaCha20-Poly1305 require a unique nonce but do not
> >   require an unpredictable nonce.  When using such algorithms the
> >   packet counter value can be used to generate a nonce, saving 8 octets
> >   per packet.  This document describes how to do this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
> tools.ietf.org.
> >
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