Hi Guilin,

Just a heads up that this draft may be vulnerable to the attack described
here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-smyslov-ipsecme-ikev2-downgrade-prevention/

Note that the ML-KEM draft (
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-mlkem/) is
vulnerable in exactly the same manner, so not something specific to your
draft.

Mitigations are being discussed here:
https://github.com/csosto-pk/pq-mlkem-ikev2/issues/5

It might make sense to coordinate.

Best,
Chris P.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 4:51 AM Wang Guilin <Wang.Guilin=
[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Our draft "Post-quantum Hybrid Key Exchange in the IKEv2 with FrodoKEM"
> has been updated to v01. Here are the two main changes made, as a response
> to comments received at 122 meeting:
>
>    *  Restructured the draft.
>    *  Reduced the point codes from 12 to 6 (eFrodoKEM).
>
> Also, we would like to ask group adoption, based on the mostly positive
> discussions in mailing list, which were summarized on my presentation
> slides at IETF 122
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/122/materials/slides-122-ipsecme-post-quantum-hybrid-key-exchange-in-the-ikev2-with-frodokem-00
>
> The original discussion are also available at
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?q=Frodo&f_list=ipsec
>
> Dear chairs,
>
> We will appreciate if a time slot could be assigned for us to present this
> draft at Mardid.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Guilin (On behalf of Leonie and Valery as well)
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, 7 July 2025 7:13 pm
> To: Wang Guilin <[email protected]>; Wang Guilin <
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> Leonie Bruckert <[email protected]>; Valery Smyslov <
> [email protected]>
> Subject: New Version Notification for
> draft-wang-ipsecme-hybrid-kem-ikev2-frodo-01.txt
>
> A new version of Internet-Draft
> draft-wang-ipsecme-hybrid-kem-ikev2-frodo-01.txt has been successfully
> submitted by Guilin Wang and posted to the IETF repository.
>
> Name:     draft-wang-ipsecme-hybrid-kem-ikev2-frodo
> Revision: 01
> Title:    Post-quantum Hybrid Key Exchange in the IKEv2 with FrodoKEM
> Date:     2025-07-07
> Group:    Individual Submission
> Pages:    12
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-ipsecme-hybrid-kem-ikev2-frodo-01.txt
> Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-ipsecme-hybrid-kem-ikev2-frodo/
> HTML:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-ipsecme-hybrid-kem-ikev2-frodo-01.html
> HTMLized:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-ipsecme-hybrid-kem-ikev2-frodo
> Diff:
> https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-wang-ipsecme-hybrid-kem-ikev2-frodo-01
>
> Abstract:
>
>    Multiple key exchanges in the Internet Key Exchange Protocol Version
>    2 (IKEv2) [RFC9370] specifies a framework that supports multiple key
>    encapsulation mechanisms (KEMs) in the Internet Key Exchange Protocol
>    Version 2 (IKEv2) by allowing up to 7 layers of additional KEMs to
>    derive the final shared secret keys for IPsec protocols.  The primary
>    goal is to mitigate the "harvest now and decrypt later" threat posed
>    by cryptanalytically relevant quantum computers (CRQC).  For this
>    purpose, usually one or more post-quantum KEMs are performed in
>    addition to the traditional (EC)DH key exchange.  This draft
>    specifies how the post-quantum KEM FrodoKEM is instantiated in the
>    IKEv2 as an additional key exchange mechanism.
>
>    [EDNOTE: IANA KE code points for FrodoKEM may need to be assigned, as
>    the code points for ML-KEM has been considered in [I-D.KR24]. ]
>
>
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
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