Patrick, Kaz (and all), The FSL antennas were never designed to compete with large, single-loop wire antennas in wide open spaces. Their unique advantage is the ability to provide high-gain, low noise transoceanic reception with a "footprint" of only one cubic yard. No single-loop wire antennas can match them in that aspect.
In the special environment of sheer ocean side cliffs, the FSL's apparently tap into a previously unknown cliff-side transoceanic propagation boost, which can boost their performance up to astonishing levels. Last year at both Cape Perpetua (near Yachats, OR) and at "Rockwork" (near Cannon Beach, OR), an 8" FSL was providing S/N pegging reception of 2.5 kW New Zealand stations on a PL-380 Ultralight radio. This setup was used to provide reception of 5 DU's that were not in the Grayland Master Log-- mostly at very strong levels. At the sheer ocean side cliffs, the FSL's also receive some measure of back-side signal rejection, due to the solid rock surfaces (which were blasted out by dynamite). All of the traditional DXpedition antennas will not fit at these special sites, which is why there is currently intense interest in FSL antenna experimentation. 73, Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA) -----Original Message----- From: Guy Atkins <d...@guyatkins.com> To: neilkaz <neil...@earthlink.net>; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <irca@hard-core-dx.com> Sent: Fri, Jun 14, 2013 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [IRCA] Guy Atkins compares some 21st Century antennas. So true, KAZ! Unfortunately you won't be able to fit your usual antenna(s) of choice on the Cape Perpetua cliff when you join us in July :^) It would be very interesting though to compare a FSL when DXing at the cliff to a small single turn car-top loop like Mark Connelly's "Super Micro Loop". To my knowledge, the West Coast DXers I know have never tried something like that. I've never seen one on our DXpeditions anyway. We usually have room for at least a phased array of ALA100 deltas or Flags. 73, Guy Atkins Puyallup, WA ------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:28 PM, neilkaz <neil...@earthlink.net> wrote: > WOW !! shocking difference between even the 12" FSL and the ALA100. If > anyone wonders why I use large outside antennas, this is why. I've seen > similar differences between the Phased BOG System and Kiwa Loop for TA's in > Grafton WI. ie TA's audible on about 40 channels (some with more than 1) on > the PBS, but audible on less than 10 channels on the Kiwa and only those > that were armchair on the PBS like France 1206 were audible at all on the > Kiwa. > > 73 KAZ > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "R. Colin Newell" <coffeecan...@gmail.com> > >Sent: Jun 14, 2013 7:35 PM > >To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America < > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com> > >Subject: [IRCA] Guy Atkins compares some 21st Century antennas. > > > >http://www.dxer.ca/articles/94-guy-compares-fsls-etc > > > >-- > >Colin Newell is the Editor and creator of Coffeecrew.com - DXer.ca - > >BobHarris.com | > >Amateur Radio VA7WWV | Twitter.Com/CoffeeCrew | Victoria B.C. Canada > >_______________________________________________ > >IRCA mailing list > >IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > >http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > >Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > >For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > >To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > _______________________________________________ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com _______________________________________________ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com