'Makes me sad that I missed the KFBK tower tour at the 1989 IRCA 
Convention....ms

> From: wb6...@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:26:07 -0800
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Short antenna radials
> 
> KFI's original tower was there before the industrial complex was built. The 
> new tower was built at the same place as the old and uses the same ground 
> radials. 
> 
> KFBK and the KSTP day site both use Franklin antennas, the only two in the 
> country. A Franklin antenna consists of two 180 degree electrical height (one 
> half wavelength) antennas separated by an insulator, stacked vertically and 
> fed at the center. The top half radiates and the bottom half is the ground. 
> There are no ground radials. 
> 
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:50:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Stephen Airy <pianoplayer88...@yahoo.com>
> To: w7...@yahoo.com, irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Short antenna radials
> 
> I've been recently wondering about this myself (short-radial efficiency, or 
> lack thereof), but more from the standpoint of low-power part 15 transmitting 
> setups.  One example I'm thinking of is such that the total length of the 
> antenna AND all ground radials is 3 meters, and does it make much difference 
> if you use a base-fed radiator with radials vs a center-fed segmented short 
> dipole without radials. (The rule in 15.219 specifies the antenna, 
> transmission line, and ground lead cannot exceed 3 meters.)  There's other 
> scenarios I'm wondering about, but I'll leave them off as I think it's beyond 
> the scope of this list.
> 
> As for KFI, I believe the original tower was there long before the industrial 
> complex was built. So, I think there could be ground radials there already, 
> and the new tower was hooked up to them?  Or maybe they have another way of 
> grounding it. KFI *is* a few dB weaker at my house than KNX, in spite of 
> being 12 miles closer (99 vs 111).  I think it's primarily the partial 
> saltwater path for KNX in my case, though.  At a friend's house in Moreno 
> Valley, as well as at my grandma's house in San Gabriel, KFI is considerably 
> stronger, like 10-15 dB.
> 
> There is a very efficient station that I believe doesn't have ground radials 
> - 1530 KFBK in Sacramento, CA.  Also I suspect 1500 KSTP St Paul, MN's 
> daytime site may also not have ground radials, but I'm not totally positive 
> on that one.
> 
> 73, Stephen
> 
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