On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Andrew Ayre <a...@britishideas.com> wrote:
> Hi Markus, > > Thanks for responding to my plea for help. I was leaning towards > something like your first suggestion but I like your second suggestion > better! HTML opens up possibilities for users to add logos, etc to their > forms if they wish, and HTML is widely known. > This is a really common pattern on mobile apps, actually - host most of the app in a WebView and just have a bit of chrome around it to control things. I never realized that WebBrowserControl had the two-way capabilities that it does (c.f. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/a0746166(v=vs.110).aspx). Interesting possibilities there. > > Thanks again and I am glad I'm not the only one who sees a need for an > easy to use UI when embedded IronPython. > I doubt you're the only one. Any chance you could make the code open-source if the approach turns out to work? - Jeff P.S. I'd also kill for an open-source embeddable REPL and an embeddable editor (with debugging for extra points). > > Andy > > On 12/2/2014 4:18 PM, Markus Schaber wrote: > > Hi, Andrew, > > > > I just had another (maybe weird) idea: > > > > Maybe your users could use HTML Forms to define the UI, and you use an > embedded WebbrowserControl to render the UI, and use the DOM tree to read > and write the values. Create a slim python function for this which accepts > an HTML form fragment and a dictionary with the values, and you should be > done. :-) > > > > Best regards > > > > Markus Schaber > > > > CODESYS® a trademark of 3S-Smart Software Solutions GmbH > > > > Inspiring Automation Solutions > > > > 3S-Smart Software Solutions GmbH > > Dipl.-Inf. 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Dezember 2014 17:17 > >> An: 'Andrew Ayre'; ironpython-users@python.org > >> Betreff: AW: [Ironpython-users] GUI Toolkits > >> > >> Hi, Andrew, > >> > >> I did embed IronPython into CODESYS. In our case, we already had a > >> set of standard dialog functions in the framework which I exposed to > >> the API available for the scripts: > >> > >> - Standard Error messages, Yes/No/Cancel prompts and similar dialogs > >> (basically an improved Windows forms MessageBox) > >> > >> - Multiple Choice Prompt (The user can choose one of a list). > >> > >> - Choose Prompt (The user can use checkboxes to select individual > >> items in a list). > >> > >> - Enter text (singleline and multiline) > >> > >> - Enter password > >> > >> - Enter username and password > >> > >> - File open / file save / choose directory (basically simplifying > >> wrappers around the windows forms classes). > >> > >> Maybe most of the users can already work with a similar set of basic > >> dialogs. You could also add some kind of "form layouter" where you > >> give a list of tuples (name, value, type) and create a table layout > >> based dialog form of it. > >> > >> You may as well find other Windows Forms or WPF based libraries on > >> the net which you can expose in a simplified, wrapped way. > >> > >> When trying to use a different UI toolkit, you should be aware of 2 > >> problems: > >> > >> - IronPython is implemented very differently from cPython, so most > >> probably, you will only get .NET libraries to work, not the GUI > >> toolkits ported for cPython. > >> > >> - Due to the nature of the windows message loop system, it is rather > >> hard to mix 2 different toolkits in the same process. So as long as > >> your application uses Windows Forms, it will be very hard to mix it > >> with any other UI toolkit (apart from native win32 and WPF, and even > >> those have problems and limitations). For example, as far as I know, > >> it is not possible to mix windows forms and GTK# or QT.NET in the > >> same process, except using ugly workarounds like ActiveQT (using > >> ActiveX / COM internally). > >> > >> > >> Best regards > >> > >> Markus Schaber > >> > >> CODESYS® a trademark of 3S-Smart Software Solutions GmbH > >> > >> Inspiring Automation Solutions > >> > >> 3S-Smart Software Solutions GmbH > >> Dipl.-Inf. Markus Schaber | Product Development Core Technology > >> Memminger Str. 151 | 87439 Kempten | Germany Tel. +49-831-54031-979 | > >> Fax +49-831-54031-50 > >> > >> E-Mail: m.scha...@codesys.com | Web: http://www.codesys.com | CODESYS > >> store: http://store.codesys.com CODESYS forum: > >> http://forum.codesys.com > >> > >> Managing Directors: Dipl.Inf. Dieter Hess, Dipl.Inf. Manfred Werner | > >> Trade register: Kempten HRB 6186 | Tax ID No.: DE 167014915 > >> > >> This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > >> If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail > >> in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e- > >> mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the > >> material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. > >> > >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >>> Von: Ironpython-users [mailto:ironpython-users- > >>> bounces+m.schaber=codesys....@python.org] Im Auftrag von Andrew > >> Ayre > >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2014 09:32 > >>> An: ironpython-users@python.org > >>> Betreff: Re: [Ironpython-users] GUI Toolkits > >>> > >>> Hi Haymo, > >>> > >>> Thanks for responding. > >>> > >>> Sorry, I should have clarified something. I never run IronPython > >>> standalone. I only use it embedded in my C# applications. For me > >> that > >>> is the single biggest advantage of IronPython. > >>> > >>> I understand what you are saying. I'm a professional software > >>> developer familiar with all these technologies, so I know what is > >>> involved to make it work. However.... > >>> > >>> The users of my application are non-technical. They need to be > >> gently > >>> coaxed into even considering using python for the first time. > >>> > >>> Of course WinForms is already there in my app for anyone to use > >> from > >>> IronPython, but what I need to supplement this is a much simpler > >> GUI > >>> system that has an easier learning curve, so my users won't be > >>> frightened off. Then they have a choice: > >>> > >>> - full blown winforms > >>> - something simpler and familiar to most python users > >>> > >>> Thanks, Andy > >>> > >>> On 11/19/2014 11:47 PM, Haymo Kutschbach wrote: > >>>> Andy, for my understanding one of the biggest advantage of having > >>>> IronPython is to actually be able to use things like winforms? As > >>> for > >>>> all systems it will require some learning to begin with, of > >> course. > >>>> But in fact very little is required in order to get so much more > >>> than > >>>> any of the systems mentioned in your link is able to provide. > >>>> > >>>> If you need a very newbee example: I recently had some fun > >>>> experimenting with IronPython to create interactive scientific 3d > >>>> plots in less than 10 > >>>> lines: > >>>> > >>>> http://ilnumerics.net/blog/plotting-fun-with-ilnumerics-and- > >>> ironpython > >>>> / > >>>> > >>>> Having winforms and the whole .NET framework in the back, I can > >>> hardly > >>>> imagine to recommend Tcl/TK any time soon... ;) > >>>> > >>>> Best, Haymo > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Andy > >>> PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ironpython-users mailing list > >>> Ironpython-users@python.org > >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ironpython-users > > > > > > > > -- > Andy > PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 > _______________________________________________ > Ironpython-users mailing list > Ironpython-users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ironpython-users >
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