[IslamCity] Re: Allah Is The Creator & Uncreatedness Of The Quran.

Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:38:49 -0800

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatuallahi wa barakatuhu,
 
i dont know either.heard form u for the first time.
 
but this is not judging,the whole post just explained Allah is the creator & Quran is his speech to humans.
 
Quran says its a message & message is conveyed by speech & when written they are  words.
 
wallahu alam
Aqsa.

 
On 11/14/05, AbdullahibnHakimibnHamid <AbdullahibnHakimibnHamid> wrote:
Didnt Imaam Bukhari (to the end of his life) say that to judge the Quran in this way is Bid'ah? please verify and i do not know for sure myself,

was Salaam,

Abdullah




On 11/11/05, Aqsa* <Aqsa*> wrote:
In the name of Allah most gracious most merciful,
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatuallahi wa barakatuhu,
 
 
Muslims  believe  in uncreatedness of the Qur'an Does it makes it a god in association with Allah Ta'ala": We answer it with the fact that Muslims do not consider the Qur'an an independent identity that equals Allah (Glory be to Him) for it is not self-emerging speech; it is His Speech whom He spoke and revealed on the heart of His Prophet. His Speech is an integral Attribute of His. Adjective is adherent to its object (or subject … not sure!), so God's Attributes stands by Him and are as eternal as He. How come they separate the adjective from its object (or subject)?
 

The consequences of such reasoning is that all Allah's Attributes are gods with Him, so Allah's Hearing is a god, Allah's Sight is a god, Allah's Knowledge is a god and Allah's Wrath is a god.

 

 Moreover, the 'community' of gods will include the Torah, the Injeel, the Zaboor and the rest of what Allah has spoken[1] and is speaking and that whom His Angels and Messengers hear which is endless and uncountable

 

 "Say: if the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid." (Holy Qur'an 18:109)

 

If any believes that God's Attributes are created, then he will negate the eternality of His Attributes like Knowledge, Hearing, Sight, .. etc.. so God was ignorant, blind and deaf till He created these attributes! Far Exalted is He above this, for He is eternally Omniscient, All-Wise, All-Hearing and All-Seeing.

 

It is not said that we worship the Holy Qur'an; we merely pray to Allah with it and worship Him with reciting, believing and following it the same way we ask Him with calling His Most Beautiful Attributes "The Most Beautiful Names belong to Allah: so call on Him by them" (Holy Qur'an 7:180).

 
With slight modifications http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/ In polemics - title-Is Islam A Monotheism?
 
Wallahu alam
Aqsa.

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{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e . Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.}
(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim]

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all."
[Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah]
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(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim]

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all."
[Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah]
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(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim]

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all."
[Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah]
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