RE: [IslamCity] Fw:174 member Pak delegation in Israel

Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:44:42 -0800

Please name and help identify them all the 174 through your courtesy and connections in India and Israel in order to expose them.

"Ram Chandra"@yahoo.com wrote:
Usually countries with responsible leadership send huge delegations and the head of the delegations are usually PMs or presidents. Their aim is to go to another country and invite investments and make agreements to open factories for creating jobs.  But in Pakistan the leadership and central government's cabinet is composed of set of slackers, smugglers and robbers, they have sent hard core goonda elements from armed forces, etc. for enjoying holidays and dinners at the cost of the public exchequer.

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Subject: "174 member Pak delegation to Israel" Pakistan Observer, Sunday,
Nov. 13, 2005

Aroosa Alam

Islamabad-Carrying complete official and political blessings, a 174-member
Pakistani delegation led by Maulana Ajmal Qadari arrived in Tel-Aviv
Saturday. This is the first declared Pakistani delegation which has directly
gone into Israeli Capital.

The delegation arrived in Amman Jordan via Dobai and is believed to be
comprising religious scholars, retired army officers, businessmen and
some officials.

DG Middle East at Ministry of Foreign Affairs Ms Humeira Hasan did not  like
to comment when approached by Pakistan Observer. Information officer of
the FO however said that Ministry is not aware of any such delegation
visiting Israel. He said Pakistan's position on sending delegation to Gaza
and West Bank remains same which means that visit of Pakistani delegation
has been delayed. Palestinian President Mr Mahmood Abbas during his visit to
Pakistan had invited a Pakistani delegation to visit Gaza. But Palestinian
Authority later signalled its inability to receive such a delegation due to
its displeasure over the meeting of Pakistani and Israeli Foreign Ministers
in Turkey. Reports from Israel confirmed that a 174-member non official
Pakistani delegation has arrived in Tel Aviv Saturday, the report said.
The visit comes after the first meeting between Pakistani and Israeli
foreign ministers in Istanbul at the beginning of September. Representatives
from Israel and Pakistan have been secretly holding talks for several months
through diplomatic and informal channels.

Israeli Military Radio reported earlier this month that Israeli Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom will receive the
delegation. The relations between the second most populous Muslim country in
the world and the Jewish state have been hostile for decades, but began to
warm up after Israel offered aid to Pakistan following this month's
devastating earthquake, the Radio report said.

Pakistan accepted Israeli offer, indicating that the sole Muslim nuclear
power was cautiously moving towards better ties with Israel. Earlier this
year President Pervez Musharraf and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
shook hands on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York.
Two weeks prior to the famous handshake, the two countries foreign ministers
met in Istanbul for the first-ever high-level meeting aimed at normalising
bilateral relations. Pakistan had decided to engage with Israel, its foreign
minister said then, because Israel pulled out settlers and troops from the
Gaza Strip and it constituted a turning point for the establishment of a
Palestinian state.

Israel currently has full diplomatic relations with only three Arab states
namely Mauritania, Egypt and Jordan, and a handful of Muslim majority states
including Turkey. The visit by Pakistani delegation has come a day after
President General Pervez Musharraf's meeting with Jack Rozen, Chairman
American Jewish Congress. President told Rozen that Pakistan would consider
formally recognising Israel only after the creation of an independent
Palestinian state. Pakistan, which has no diplomatic ties with Israel, has
long demanded that the Jewish state end its occupation of Palestinian
territory and that the Palestinian state should emerge on the world map with
Jerusalem as its capital. During meeting, Rozen told President Musharraf
that Israel wanted to establish diplomatic, trade and economic ties
with Islamabad.

But Musharraf "clearly told him that establishment of an independent
Palestinian state, was a must for any forward movement". Rozen informed
Musharraf that the Jewish community in America was collecting donations for
the victims of the 8 October earthquake. Pakistan had earlier declined an
offer of direct aid from Israel after the quake, but said it could send aid
through international relief organisations. Pakistan did not invite Israel
to 18-19 November donors conference in Islamabad to seek more help for the
reconstruction of devastated areas.

Meanwhile official sources in Palestinian Embassy expressed their ignorance
about the visit of 174-member Pakistani delegation saying that the Embassy
has not been informed or contacted by Pakistani authorities about this
visit. They however confirmed the visit and said this delegation will not
visit Gaza or West Bank. "If this delegation was to also visit West Bank or
Gaza, we would have been approached which is not the case", said officials.
It may be mentioned that Palestinian Authority has not been happy about such
contacts with Israel at a time when attacks are still being conducted on
Palestinians. One of the official newspapers of Palestine in its editorial
opposed the visit of Pakistani delegation to West Bank and Gaza. Ministry of
Foreign Affairs announced last week that Pakistan is putting on hold the
proposed visit by Pakistani delegation due to earthquake and situation in
Palestine.

Maulana Ajmal Qadri, chief of a Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam faction, in a press
conference at Multan early this month had said that unofficial trade between
Pakistan and Israel via Jordan stands at $1 billion a year and Islamabad
should officially allow trade with the Jewish state. Qadri told reporters
that he had paid several visits to Israel via Jordan over the last 15 years
in his capacity as vice president of a London-based Arab NGO. We should not
abandon our link with Baitul Maqdas (Jerusalem) and we should visit Israel
to see it, he said. Pakistan has begun trade and opened bus links with India
without recognising Indian-controlled Kashmir, and a similar arrangement
could be made with Israel. He said he would soon visit Israel with a
150-member delegation. To a question, Qadri said he would like to see a
crusade for the liberation of Palestine, but he thought it unlikely
considering the apathetic state of Muslim countries. We should continue
negotiations with Israel so that Palestinians can get relief, he said.


Source:  Pakistan Observer (pakobserver.net)

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