Amos,

I appreciate your view but you can also decide to track down the few
"ab-users", the 5% generating 90% of the trafic, preventing the others
to get good service. Either you need to buy much more bandwidth and then
may be your business model won't be profitable or you decide to enforce
some sort of Fairness to retain all these customers, suffering from
abusers and probably on their way to leave because of poor level of
service.

Regards

Antoine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Amos Rosenboim [mailto:SLICK@;co.zahav.net.il] 
Sent: vendredi 18 octobre 2002 17:35
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic


The Allot netenforcer will help you to classify the traffic, and if you
want it will rate-limit it, but it will not cache it. you might rerduce
bandwidth usage, but you will hurt your users. i don't think that as an
isp i'm entitled to make decisions for my customers in which application
to use, but what ever they use, i want to cache.

Regards
Amos


-----Original Message-----
From: Antoine GUY [mailto:aguy@;wtc-sophia.com]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 6:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic


Mark,

The Allot NetEnforcer device will do the job - we do have references in
that domain.

(see www.allot.com )

Regards

Antoine GUY
Allot Communications Europe
General Manager EMEA
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F +33 4 92 38 80 33
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"Empowering Networks for Business"
www.allot.com - www.allot.de - www.allot.jp


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pace Balzan [mailto:mpb@;melitacable.com] 
Sent: vendredi 18 octobre 2002 16:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic


Hi Amos,

I work for an ISP in Malta, and we too have very high percentage of p2p
traffic from our cable modem users.

Recently kazaa has released a new version of their p2p software, kazaa
v2 which is hard to classify and quantify.

Do you manage to classify this traffic - kazaa v2 doesnt work on tcp
port 1214 like v1. it uses dynamic ports

Re caching. I dont believe there is a solution, but if you find
anything, please let me know, since i would be interested in such a
solution



Thanks


Mark


----- Original Message -----
From: "Amos Rosenboim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: [isp-caching] introduction + peer 2 peer traffic


> Hi,
> i'm working as a Head of networking team for an isp in israel. When we

> analyzed our traffic ( using Allot Netenforcer ) we have noitced
the dominance of the peer to peer applications.
> For our broadband users it's between 40-60% of total traffic ( more
> then
http) and for the dial up users it's about 30% which is a heavy
compettion to the http traffic. has anyone done similiar analysis to
confirm or disconfirm my analysis ?
> Does anyone know of any caching solution to such traffic ? Amos
> Rosenboim Network Team Manager
> INTERNET-GOLD
>
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