Faisal Your point of view is absulutely correct. Some of our valued ISPs probably do not understand how a trade body is operated. tn COO Hinet / Hitech ----- Original Message ----- From: Faisal Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Aly Ramzan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: ISPAK: We Should Unload The Free Loaders > > Dear ISP's, > > > 1) I simply cannot comprehend the nerve of some of the mailing > list members classifying payments of dues to a organization > as mere technicallity. > > 2) This mailing list is not a place for free loaders and paupers. > > 3) This list is of owners/employees of ISP/DNOP in > Pakistan. To do this business the members have invested > alot of money. > > 4) The associations was formed to solve day to day problem. > Which I may add have been very successful. > > 5) ISPAK in which ever form it is, needs money to function. > If ISPAK is asking for a registration/renewal fee of Rs 5000, > whats the big deal. > > 6) If somebody wants to be a member and does not want to > pay the registration/renewal fee, I suggest the answer is a > NO. We donot want paupers among us. > > 7) If the majority still feels that there should not be any condition > of payment of dues, I donot want to be a member of a > associations which has free loaders in it. > > Best Regards, > > Faisal Ahmed > CEO > Fascom > > > > Send reply to: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Azfar Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Copies to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING > Date sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:58:48 +0500 > Organization: CubeXS Private Limited > > > Dear All, > > > > Funds are required to run any association, PASHA charged our Software house > > Rs. 15,000 before they would even put us on their discussion group. Same is > > true for Chamber, Federation, PREGMA, APTMA etc. etc. I fail to understand > > how an association with office, employees, travel expenses etc.can work > > without funds. The present and newly elected body will need the funds to > > operate ISPAK successfully, and the audited accounts should be open for > > inspection to all members. > > > > One may argue that these are not elected members per say but we feel that > > our problems were solved by the same team which exists today. Being an ISP > > in operation since 1998 I feel that Bhutta Saheb, Ansar Saheb, Imran Akhtar > > Saheb, Salman Ansari Saheb, Arshad Jalil Saheb and others have worked very > > very hard "TOGETHER" to do what ever was possible to get ISP issues > > resolved. So many of our problems with PTCL which were impossible to solve > > in the 90's are going through seamlessly. People on both sides of the fence > > have worked hard to get ISPAK to where it is today. > > > > We are looking forward to the elections. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Aly Ramzan > > CubeXS > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Azfar Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:54 PM > > Subject: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING > > > > > > > Dear Bhutta Sahib, > > > > > > I support Nadeem. Every ISP should be allowed to be on the email list of > > ISPAK whether a paid member or not. > > > > > > Infact, I would go one step further and recommend the following for > > maximum participation: > > > > > > 1. For the General Body Meeting of ISPAK on July 10, 2001 in Karachi Mr. > > Pasha, DS ISPAK should personally contact the CEO/MD of every operational > > ISP in the country whether it is a member of ISPAK or not. All should be > > invited to this meeting or asked to send representatives.The email list of > > ISPAK does not include all operational ISP's. > > > > > > 2. Those who cannot come to Karachi for one reason or another should be > > informed of what issues were discussed in the General Body meeting by > > sending them written minutes of the meeting and also all should be given an > > opportunity to present their views by immediately holding followup ISPAK > > meetings in Lahore and Islamabad chaired by you as President ISPAK > > personally so that no one can complain later. > > > > > > For Lahore WOL will be more than willing to play host and I am sure we > > will have volunteers for Islamabad also. > > > > > > The above practice is followed very successfully by PASHA and this insures > > that every member has the opportunity to participate in the affairs of ISPAK > > and such openness leads to a more vibrant, effective and united > > organization. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Azfar > > > > > > At 09:44 AM7/2/01+0500, nadeem wrote: > > > >Bhutta Sb., > > > > > > > >Do not take this position. > > > > > > > >Instead, be positive and try to have maximum presence to make ISPAK truly > > > >representative. Remember ISPAK is body of ISPs. Do not give impression > > that > > > >you want some specific person out. > > > > > > > >Registered member is one who has got registration. Make the request to > > > >members to pay the dues. Do not try to keep the people out on > > > >technicalities. Be humble and make friends. The positions are open for > > any > > > >body who is considered eligible by the majority. > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > >Ahmad Nadeem Syed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 8:51 PM > > > >Subject: ISPAK: Re: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions For Worldcall > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Mr.Pasha, > > > >> Deputy Secretary ISPAK > > > >> AoA > > > >> Please check if worldcall.net is paid member then include the proposed > > > >name > > > >> in the mailing list otherwise regret and inform that mailing list is > > being > > > >> limited with in paid members.. > > > >> Best regards. > > > >> Sanaullah Bhutta > > > >> President ISPAK> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Nahil Mahmood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 3:37 PM > > > >> Subject: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions For Worldcall > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Dear Mr. Bhutta, > > > >> > > > > >> > I am contacting you from Worldcall Lahore. I would like to request > > you > > > >> > to kindly add two email addresses to your mailing list for ISPAK as > > > >> > follows: > > > >> > > > > >> > -Mr. Fazeel Asif, COO Worldcall Multimedia > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > > > > >> > -Nahil Mahmood, Senior Manager Technical, Worldcall Multimedia Ltd. > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > > > > >> > Looking forward to your early asistance. > > > >> > > > > >> > Sincerely, > > > >> > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood > > > >> > Mobile: 0300-8484399 > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > ************************* > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood > > > >> > Senior Manager Technical > > > >> > Worldcall Multimedia Ltd. > > > >> > > > > >> > 50 Bridge Colony > > > >> > Abid Majeed Road > > > >> > Lahore Cannt., Pakistan > > > >> > Tel: +92-42-6686227 > > > >> > Fax: +92-42-6669095 > > > >> > ************************* > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------- ISPAK -------------------------- > > > >> ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of > > > >> ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives. > > > >> -------------- http://ispak.net.pk ----------------------- > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------- ISPAK -------------------------- > > > >ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of > > > >ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives. > > > >-------------- http://ispak.net.pk ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ISPAK -------------------------- > > > ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives. > > > -------------- http://ispak.net.pk ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ISPAK -------------------------- > > ISPAK Discussion List. 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