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Bill Burcham updated GEODE-9764:
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Description:
There is a weakness in the P2P/DirectChannel messaging architecture, in that it
never gives up on a request (in a request-response scenario). As a result a bug
(software fault) anywhere from the point where the requesting thread hands off
the {{DistributionMessage}} e.g. to
{{{}ClusterDistributionManager.putOutgoing(DistributionMessage){}}}, to the
point where that request is ultimately fulfilled on a (one) receiver, can
result in a hang (of some task on the send side, which is waiting for a
response).
Well it's a little worse than that because any code in the return (response)
path can also cause disruption of the (response) flow, thereby leaving the
requesting task hanging.
If the code in the request path (primarily in P2P messaging) and the code in
the response path (P2P messaging and TBD higher-level code) were perfect this
might not be a problem. But there is a fair amount of code there and we have
some evidence that it is currently not perfect, nor do we expect it to become
perfect and stay that way.
This is a sketch of the situation. The left-most column is the request path or
the originating member. The middle column is the server-side of the
request-response path. And the right-most column is the response path back on
the originating member.
!image-2021-11-22-12-14-59-117.png!
You can see that Geode product code, JDK code, and hardware components all lie
in the end-to-end request-response messaging path.
That being the case it seems prudent to institute response timeouts so that
bugs of this sort (which disrupt request-response message flow) don't result in
hangs.
It's TBD if we want to go a step further and institute retries. The latter
would entail introducing duplicate-suppression (conflation) in P2P messaging.
We might also add exponential backoff (open-loop) or back-pressure
(closed-loop) to prevent a flood of retries when the system is at or near the
point of thrashing.
But even without retries, a configurable timeout might have good ROI as a first
step. This would entail:
* adding a configuration parameter to specify the timeout value
* changing ReplyProcessor21 and others TBD to "give up" after the timeout has
elapsed
* changing higher-level code dependent on request-reply messaging so it
properly handles the situations where we might have to "give up"
This issue affects all versions of Geode.
h2. Counterpoint
Not everybody thinks timeouts are a good idea. Here are some alternative ideas:
The proposal (above) seeks to solve the problem using end-to-end timeouts since
any component in the path can, in general, have faults. An alternative
approach, would be to assume that _some_ of the components can be made "good
enough" (without adding timeouts) and that those "good enough" components can
protect themselves (and user applications) from faults in the remaining
components.
With this approach, the Cluster Distribution Manager, and P2P / TCP Conduit /
Direct Channel framework would be enhanced so that it was less susceptible to
bugs in:
* the 341 Distribution Message classes
* the 68 Reply Message classes
* the 95 Reply Processor classes
The question is: what form would that enhancement take, and also, would it be
sufficient to overcome faults in remaining components (JDK, and the
host+network layers).
was:
There is a weakness in the P2P/DirectChannel messaging architecture, in that it
never gives up on a request (in a request-response scenario). As a result a bug
(software fault) anywhere from the point where the requesting thread hands off
the {{DistributionMessage}} e.g. to
{{{}ClusterDistributionManager.putOutgoing(DistributionMessage){}}}, to the
point where that request is ultimately fulfilled on a (one) receiver, can
result in a hang (of some task on the send side, which is waiting for a
response).
Well it's a little worse than that because any code in the return (response)
path can also cause disruption of the (response) flow, thereby leaving the
requesting task hanging.
If the code in the request path (primarily in P2P messaging) and the code in
the response path (P2P messaging and TBD higher-level code) were perfect this
might not be a problem. But there is a fair amount of code there and we have
some evidence that it is currently not perfect, nor do we expect it to become
perfect and stay that way. That being the case it seems prudent to institute
response timeouts so that bugs of this sort (which disrupt request-response
message flow) don't result in hangs.
It's TBD if we want to go a step further and institute retries. The latter
would entail introducing duplicate-suppression (conflation) in P2P messaging.
We might also add exponential backoff (open-loop) or back-pressure
(closed-loop) to prevent a flood of retries when the system is at or near the
point of thrashing.
But even without retries, a configurable timeout might have good ROI as a first
step. This would entail:
* adding a configuration parameter to specify the timeout value
* changing ReplyProcessor21 and others TBD to "give up" after the timeout has
elapsed
* changing higher-level code dependent on request-reply messaging so it
properly handles the situations where we might have to "give up"
This issue affects all versions of Geode.
h2. Counterpoint
Not everbody thinks timeouts are a good idea. Here are some alternative ideas:
Make request-response primitive better. make it so only bugs in our core
messaging framework could cause a lack of response - rather than our current
approach where a bug in a class like “RemotePutMessage” could cause a lack of a
response.
> Request-Response Messaging Should Time Out
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Key: GEODE-9764
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GEODE-9764
> Project: Geode
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: messaging
> Reporter: Bill Burcham
> Assignee: Bill Burcham
> Priority: Major
> Attachments: image-2021-11-22-11-52-23-586.png,
> image-2021-11-22-12-14-59-117.png
>
>
> There is a weakness in the P2P/DirectChannel messaging architecture, in that
> it never gives up on a request (in a request-response scenario). As a result
> a bug (software fault) anywhere from the point where the requesting thread
> hands off the {{DistributionMessage}} e.g. to
> {{{}ClusterDistributionManager.putOutgoing(DistributionMessage){}}}, to the
> point where that request is ultimately fulfilled on a (one) receiver, can
> result in a hang (of some task on the send side, which is waiting for a
> response).
> Well it's a little worse than that because any code in the return (response)
> path can also cause disruption of the (response) flow, thereby leaving the
> requesting task hanging.
> If the code in the request path (primarily in P2P messaging) and the code in
> the response path (P2P messaging and TBD higher-level code) were perfect this
> might not be a problem. But there is a fair amount of code there and we have
> some evidence that it is currently not perfect, nor do we expect it to become
> perfect and stay that way.
> This is a sketch of the situation. The left-most column is the request path
> or the originating member. The middle column is the server-side of the
> request-response path. And the right-most column is the response path back on
> the originating member.
> !image-2021-11-22-12-14-59-117.png!
> You can see that Geode product code, JDK code, and hardware components all
> lie in the end-to-end request-response messaging path.
> That being the case it seems prudent to institute response timeouts so that
> bugs of this sort (which disrupt request-response message flow) don't result
> in hangs.
> It's TBD if we want to go a step further and institute retries. The latter
> would entail introducing duplicate-suppression (conflation) in P2P messaging.
> We might also add exponential backoff (open-loop) or back-pressure
> (closed-loop) to prevent a flood of retries when the system is at or near the
> point of thrashing.
> But even without retries, a configurable timeout might have good ROI as a
> first step. This would entail:
> * adding a configuration parameter to specify the timeout value
> * changing ReplyProcessor21 and others TBD to "give up" after the timeout
> has elapsed
> * changing higher-level code dependent on request-reply messaging so it
> properly handles the situations where we might have to "give up"
> This issue affects all versions of Geode.
> h2. Counterpoint
> Not everybody thinks timeouts are a good idea. Here are some alternative
> ideas:
> The proposal (above) seeks to solve the problem using end-to-end timeouts
> since any component in the path can, in general, have faults. An alternative
> approach, would be to assume that _some_ of the components can be made "good
> enough" (without adding timeouts) and that those "good enough" components can
> protect themselves (and user applications) from faults in the remaining
> components.
> With this approach, the Cluster Distribution Manager, and P2P / TCP Conduit /
> Direct Channel framework would be enhanced so that it was less susceptible to
> bugs in:
> * the 341 Distribution Message classes
> * the 68 Reply Message classes
> * the 95 Reply Processor classes
> The question is: what form would that enhancement take, and also, would it be
> sufficient to overcome faults in remaining components (JDK, and the
> host+network layers).
>
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